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The biggest gaff/setback so far was Theresa Tam (the lady on TV every half hour now telling you to wash your hands and stay home) getting in the ear of our "woke" PM back in early March and telling him that stopping or quarantining people on flights from the epicenter was "culturally sensitive" and would promote racism.
 
Shes also now suggesting to hold on to those disposable PPE's, and wash/reuse them, even though they werent/arent designed for that purpose at all.
 
The moment they announced it was a pneumonic pandemic nobody really need to say much else,
makes little odds who said what after that, educated people are suppose to know what the implications are.
It's that common sense thing that apparently is not so common.

and I Still have not seen anything about boot wash stations yet :unsure:
 
bigpoppa said:
Holy ****:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1247522839147597825
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its what happens when everything is politicized. Even in the US as it gets closer to election time I’m sure you’ll see the politicians play with numbers and dumb things down in their states to show how well they are coping. That in turn feeds back into the public psyche and then everyone thinks “cool, lets get back to normal now” and in a worse case scenario you’d get a second wave of the virus. Politicizing a national health emergency and in turn killing people needlessly.

I “think” we can mostly trust numbers in Canada but I’m not 100% sure on that. Not really because of politics here but because the testing seems a bit woeful.
 
Lightcycle said:
They're going to have to figure out a way to classify all these stats.

China is going the other way in an attempt to reduce the figures. If someone had co-morbidities and died of COVID-19, then they don't class that as an official cause of death.

But on the other hand, some terminal illnesses take months, if not years to kill a patient. If COVID-19 hastens that death, shouldn't the official cause of death be the virus?
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Euthanasia by COVID19 ?!

Just sounds downright morbid, i know.
But yes if that person would've died in say half a year but covid strikes and kills them in a weak, the cause of death is still covid...
Now if someone is on life support and gets it that might be a different story
 
jc100 said:
In the middle of a pandemic and this...all for price fixing...

Coronavirus: Why Canada dairy farmers are dumping milk Covid brings tears and spilt milk to Canadian dairy

this makes me mad. I get that they are trying to keep a stable income but this is madness
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Read the comments from the crazies on the milk dumping "I raised my kids with no cow milk and they are healthier than every kid that ever stole milk from a baby cow". Great, a study with an N in the low single digits and no controls, sounds conclusive to me.

I am slightly surprised they couldn't do something constructive with the milk (convert to ice cream or powdered milk or donate to food bank etc), but I think you are right, it all comes down to maintaining the monopoly and the market price, it has nothing to do with reason or compassion.
 
They have been donating what they can (what people will take, there are limits). The problem is the restaurant and food services industries are obviously not buying so demand is way down, retail/grocery market is not enough to take up the slack....
 
backmarkerducati said:
They have been donating what they can (what people will take, there are limits). The problem is the restaurant and food services industries are obviously not buying so demand is way down, retail/grocery market is not enough to take up the slack....
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Yeah, obviously production will exceed supply right now, that's why I thought you probably needed a conversion path to preserve it (ice cream, powdered milk etc).

There is also the retail store mess where most limit to one or two bags. Not sure why that is happening when it is literally being dumped at the other end of the supply chain. I don't know if there is a real bottleneck (eg truck to plant, plant to warehouse, warehouse to store, store storage capacity) or if this is just manufacturing a crisis to prop up prices. Hell, even at normal prices, many people may buy more milk if they could. You are either being forced to cutback on milk use at home (bad for farmers) or go to the grocery store more often to supply the family (bad for everybody).
 
backmarkerducati said:
They have been donating what they can (what people will take, there are limits). The problem is the restaurant and food services industries are obviously not buying so demand is way down, retail/grocery market is not enough to take up the slack....
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My coffee place gave away a dozen of bags of milk as they wouldn't be needing them (they've closed the store for the time being)

And that's a tiny coffee shop... so i can imagine that with retail businesses closing down the demand has plummetted like crazy.

I also drink less cow milk than before...and when this started i bought a 4-pack of oatmilk at costco... its still good till some time in 2021... I just like to diversify.
 
Marooned in Mumbai ...
With the lockdown, there is literally an army of daily-wage workers with no work and therefore no food, wonder if there is a way to evap the milk and distribute here.
Caveat: I am a Canadian without local contacts/influence but am willing to work to see if this is possible

"Be free from the gravity of expectation"
 
GreyGhost said:
Yeah, obviously production will exceed supply right now, that's why I thought you probably needed a conversion path to preserve it (ice cream, powdered milk etc).

There is also the retail store mess where most limit to one or two bags. Not sure why that is happening when it is literally being dumped at the other end of the supply chain. I don't know if there is a real bottleneck (eg truck to plant, plant to warehouse, warehouse to store, store storage capacity) or if this is just manufacturing a crisis to prop up prices. Hell, even at normal prices, many people may buy more milk if they could. You are either being forced to cutback on milk use at home (bad for farmers) or go to the grocery store more often to supply the family (bad for everybody).
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My guess is there is a bottleneck somewhere in the retail supply chain or manufacturing system, combined with food hoarding.

We also have to remember under Canadian law they cannot sell (or I guess give) the raw milk directly to the consumer, it must be processed first (pasteurization, whatever).

From their side, sending it down other paths to be "preserved" is a future problem, as future production will price compete with stored or preserved past production.
 
jc100 said:
its what happens when everything is politicized. Even in the US as it gets closer to election time I’m sure you’ll see the politicians play with numbers and dumb things down in their states to show how well they are coping. That in turn feeds back into the public psyche and then everyone thinks “cool, lets get back to normal now” and in a worse case scenario you’d get a second wave of the virus. Politicizing a national health emergency and in turn killing people needlessly.
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I think (hope) the estimate from a few days ago of 100,000 deaths in the USA will prove to be a high estimate. The situation there is bad, but not that bad. It would result in USA deaths per million population to reach those of Italy and Spain currently. Granted, Italy and Spain aren't done, but they appear to be through the worst of it.

Then watch Trump brag about how well they've done by "only" having 60,000 deaths.

I also think (and hope) that the prediction of 3000 deaths in the province of Ontario will prove to be high, because that would also be in the same range where Italy and Spain are now.
 
Chris-CJ said:
Marooned in Mumbai ...
With the lockdown, there is literally an army of daily-wage workers with no work and therefore no food, wonder if there is a way to evap the milk and distribute here.
Caveat: I am a Canadian without local contacts/influence but am willing to work to see if this is possible

"Be free from the gravity of expectation"
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Milk byproducts? Too obvious, nobody will think of it for months.
Cheese has a pretty amazing shelf life, we make cheese and could easy make more.
 
Chris-CJ said:
Marooned in Mumbai ...
With the lockdown, there is literally an army of daily-wage workers with no work and therefore no food, wonder if there is a way to evap the milk and distribute here.
Caveat: I am a Canadian without local contacts/influence but am willing to work to see if this is possible

"Be free from the gravity of expectation"
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Totally possible, but then cue the Conservatives here screaming about milk shortages on the shelves and JT is sending milk to other countries.... sadly, less headaches to just dump it in that context.
 
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