CNC Machinist

Aerospace? .002"? And you're saying other people are confused?

I'm no expert, just regurgitating what I hear from my coworkers. But my last sentence still holds

In fact I'll just shut my mouth & let the experts talk. Apparently there's lots of experts here who has first hand experience with cnc
 
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What do CNC machinists do? From my short google search, it looks like someone who pushes buttons at a factory.
 
I guess jobs like these are too good to be true??

http://www.indeed.ca/viewjob?jk=696...st&l=Toronto,+ON&tk=18g2lrp6k1d4h2gc&from=web
http://www.indeed.ca/viewjob?jk=ca4...st&l=Toronto,+ON&tk=18g2lrp6k1d4h2gc&from=web

Personally if you ask me, I would rather be a machinist making $27/hr rather than a courier making the same. If you're ever laid off as a courier, there are no job prospects. As a machinist there are always openings in different cities. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

I don't think I could ever be a plumber, I don't want to be dealing with sht. Pun intended

Not too good to be true......but likely not as good as you think.

3-5 years experience....but that's after you get your certification which is going to take 3-5 years.

You should really know how to work the manual machines well before you even touch a cnc....unless you want to be an $18 an hour button pusher.

Not sure a machinist is the most secure trade in this province right now either.
 
Not too good to be true......but likely not as good as you think.

3-5 years experience....but that's after you get your certification which is going to take 3-5 years.

You should really know how to work the manual machines well before you even touch a cnc....unless you want to be an $18 an hour button pusher.

Not sure a machinist is the most secure trade in this province right now either.

Started on an old 3 axis machine. Not bad. We have to set the zero's manually. Far from a button pusher, I have to do 15 minutes setup for 40 minutes jobs. Resetting axes when there are differing size in blocks. Most blocks are not completely flat so we have to machine them perfectly flat before we can cnc them. Pretty stimulating stuff
 
Started on an old 3 axis machine. Not bad. We have to set the zero's manually. Far from a button pusher, I have to do 15 minutes setup for 40 minutes jobs. Resetting axes when there are differing size in blocks. Most blocks are not completely flat so we have to machine them perfectly flat before we can cnc them. Pretty stimulating stuff

Do you have a ticket though?

The first job posting you listed isnt going to pay you $26 an hour if you dont have one.
 
I guess jobs like these are too good to be true??

http://www.indeed.ca/viewjob?jk=696...st&l=Toronto,+ON&tk=18g2lrp6k1d4h2gc&from=web
http://www.indeed.ca/viewjob?jk=ca4...st&l=Toronto,+ON&tk=18g2lrp6k1d4h2gc&from=web

Personally if you ask me, I would rather be a machinist making $27/hr rather than a courier making the same. If you're ever laid off as a courier, there are no job prospects. As a machinist there are always openings in different cities. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

I don't think I could ever be a plumber, I don't want to be dealing with sht. Pun intended

I've worked in tool and die, mold making, and as a general machinist. I personally would rather be a courier making $27/hr. there might be lots of machinist jobs out there but remember, there's also lots of machinists with no jobs because a lot of shops shut down due to the economy.......and china. There was a time where machinists were wanted and were considered a high end tradesman, now it seems they're dime a dozen. It's only when you get into multi axis Cnc programming, but even with that, most companies won't pay what they're worth. If I ever lose my job, knock on wood that I don't, I'm locking up my box and doing something else because I know that no company out there will even come close to paying me what I'm getting working in research and development for the aerospace industry.
 
Do you have a ticket though?

The first job posting you listed isnt going to pay you $26 an hour if you dont have one.

Nope, just doing research

I've worked in tool and die, mold making, and as a general machinist. I personally would rather be a courier making $27/hr. there might be lots of machinist jobs out there but remember, there's also lots of machinists with no jobs because a lot of shops shut down due to the economy.......and china. There was a time where machinists were wanted and were considered a high end tradesman, now it seems they're dime a dozen. It's only when you get into multi axis Cnc programming, but even with that, most companies won't pay what they're worth. If I ever lose my job, knock on wood that I don't, I'm locking up my box and doing something else because I know that no company out there will even come close to paying me what I'm getting working in research and development for the aerospace industry.

Seems you feel strongly about that. I see alot of postings though. Looks promising
 
When a broom pushing laborer working for local 183 in the construction industry is earning upwards of $30 hr to start plus full benefits and 10 per cent vacation pay I would say $25 hr for a skilled tradesman absolutely sucks.
 
Arent you already using a cnc from your other post?

Yes, but I highly doubt I can get that job. I just have a couple months experience
 
Nope, just doing research



Seems you feel strongly about that. I see alot of postings though. Looks promising

i guess it's because I have seen both sides. I have a lot of friends in the industry and they all sing the same song. ****** workplace, dirty, loud, cheap bosses who treat them like crap and they want everything fast and perfect using the bare minimums. Last guy I hired said the same thing and he was ready to quit the trade. Now her thinks he's in machine shop heaven.
 
When a broom pushing laborer working for local 183 in the construction industry is earning upwards of $30 hr to start plus full benefits and 10 per cent vacation pay I would say $25 hr for a skilled tradesman absolutely sucks.

Exactly!
 
$25 hr. is the working poor. Very sad.
 
i guess it's because I have seen both sides. I have a lot of friends in the industry and they all sing the same song. ****** workplace, dirty, loud, cheap bosses who treat them like crap and they want everything fast and perfect using the bare minimums. Last guy I hired said the same thing and he was ready to quit the trade. Now her thinks he's in machine shop heaven.

Lol, sounds like any job I've had, lol
 
Houses dont seem that cheap in niagara

Average price of a single-detached home in St.Catharines-Niagara CMA (rounded)

2008- $376,000

2009- $368,000

2010- $379,000

2011 (forecast)- $384,000 (1.4% increase)

2012 (forecast)- $390,000 (1.6% increase)
 
In some industrial applications, especially the aerospace & automotive there are different parts every day. Setup can take 50% of your time.

In most of the automotive CNC applications that I've seen - and I've seen a lot of them! - the CNC machine gets set up for one job and then runs that job for eternity, day in and day out, until the end of the program. A lot of the time it's together with a robot that's picking parts out of a conveyor or some other fixture, and sticking that into the CNC and taking out the finished workpiece (which goes onto a conveyor leading to the next robotically-loaded CNC doing the next operation - and so on until the end of the line). The only thing the operators have to do is load up the infeed conveyor with blanks, and unload the racks of finished parts from the end.

Of course, the CNC still requires periodic attention for tool changes, etc.

The reasons for the automation aren't necessarily to eliminate manual labour but rather to control the risk of errors. Every workpiece goes through every machine, no operations are skipped, parts don't get loaded wrong or dropped in between operations or the wrong parts get into the machine, if a part fails at a check station (these are also automated) they can stop and fix the problem right away without making an entire batch of bad parts, etc. Of course, it helps that this allows the operators to load up the infeed and go on break while the robots and CNCs keep right on running through break or lunch.

The parts loaders and unloaders aren't making the good money. The process engineering and setup people probably are. The particular place that I have in mind is ALWAYS rearranging their process to make improvements ... and they just built an expansion that doubled the size of their plant, and that's right here in Ontario, too. They've been keeping food on the table here ... (I'm on the contract-engineering side of this)
 
Not directly related to CNC, but automation is and has been incorporated into food production more and more.

I've been to numerous food plants, and while its still labor intensive, more and more, companies are willing to automate and buy more machines than to hire more people.

Millwrights are more and more in demand and the pay is not too shabby either.

In most of the automotive CNC applications that I've seen - and I've seen a lot of them! - the CNC machine gets set up for one job and then runs that job for eternity, day in and day out, until the end of the program. A lot of the time it's together with a robot that's picking parts out of a conveyor or some other fixture, and sticking that into the CNC and taking out the finished workpiece (which goes onto a conveyor leading to the next robotically-loaded CNC doing the next operation - and so on until the end of the line). The only thing the operators have to do is load up the infeed conveyor with blanks, and unload the racks of finished parts from the end.

Of course, the CNC still requires periodic attention for tool changes, etc.

The reasons for the automation aren't necessarily to eliminate manual labour but rather to control the risk of errors. Every workpiece goes through every machine, no operations are skipped, parts don't get loaded wrong or dropped in between operations or the wrong parts get into the machine, if a part fails at a check station (these are also automated) they can stop and fix the problem right away without making an entire batch of bad parts, etc. Of course, it helps that this allows the operators to load up the infeed and go on break while the robots and CNCs keep right on running through break or lunch.

The parts loaders and unloaders aren't making the good money. The process engineering and setup people probably are. The particular place that I have in mind is ALWAYS rearranging their process to make improvements ... and they just built an expansion that doubled the size of their plant, and that's right here in Ontario, too. They've been keeping food on the table here ... (I'm on the contract-engineering side of this)
 
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