CHARGE Documentary -Matt Neale

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"Charge" is a Mark Neale ("Faster", "Fastest") a documentary now on NetFlix about the 2009-10 Isle of Mann TT for electrics, focusing on Cedrick lynch (a very strange man) and Motoczysz, the first American manufacturer to win an event at the TT.
[video=youtube;rogV80QfLYQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rogV80QfLYQ[/video]

The results since 2010 are interesting. The big prize was to finish a 37 mile lap, then average more than 100mph.
Winners,
2010:96.820 mph
2012: 104.056
2013: 109.675

That's a lot of progress for three years. The spirit is very much like Bonneville. Worth watching.

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It s just my opinion but that video didnt do anything for me. Something huge was missing and even thought i tried to be open minded, i failed to enjoy it lol
 
I enjoyed it, but if they had held off until 2013 when motoczysz took on the Goliath Honda with John McGuiness, it would have had more racing substance. That was a battle and a half, 2 seconds spread pitting Motoczysz ~$350k bike vs Honda's $4.3mil developed bike.
 
As far as I know it's only on American Netflix. I don't use the Canadian version as it blows.. these bikes are a joke in my opinion. Took them 26 min to do a lap at isle of man, when they are usually done in under 16min...
 
Just watched the documentary its very cool. Some of the most impressive bikes were not the 350k ones but the ones built in peoples sheds by amateurs. If Battery tech improvs and is miniaturized enough i think Electric bikes are going to be the future of the hobby. At least part of it i don't see the combustion engine going away completely for a long long time
 
Boi-O-Lex said:
.. these bikes are a joke in my opinion. Took them 26 min to do a lap at isle of man, when they are usually done in under 16min...
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IOM TT Lap Records

Outright John McGuinness Honda CBR1000RR 2013 17:11.572 131.671mph

TT Zero Electric Bike Michael Rutter MotoCzysz E1PC 2013 20:38.461 109.675mph

These are not slow bikes. 109 MPH average over the IOM course is bloody fast.
 
Boi-O-Lex said:
As far as I know it's only on American Netflix. I don't use the Canadian version as it blows.. these bikes are a joke in my opinion. Took them 26 min to do a lap at isle of man, when they are usually done in under 16min...
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Its on Canadian Netflix as well

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Two50noob said:
If Battery tech improvs and is miniaturized enough i think Electric bikes are going to be the future of the hobby. At least part of it i don't see the combustion engine going away completely for a long long time
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Certainly battery technology needs to improve before you will see an electric vehicle at every house but the bigger issue is the actually delivery of power to charge those batteries. The entire infrastructure from generation to transmission to distribution would need to be re-done.

Its really cool stuff and I think one day we will be forced to go to electric as fossil fuels become more scarce but for the foreseeable future we will be forced to listen to our noisy vibrating inefficient gasoline motors. :)
 
Dave L said:
Certainly battery technology needs to improve before you will see an electric vehicle at every house but the bigger issue is the actually delivery of power to charge those batteries. The entire infrastructure from generation to transmission to distribution would need to be re-done.
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Assuming vehicles have enough capacity to be charged at night, there are no issues. At night we are only using a small percentage of peak power/grid capacity (and in some instances paying neighbouring states to use the excess power we are generating because the nukes don't like to throttle down to really low loads). Nighttime is also the only time that the wind turbines that Mcguinty sold our souls for make any amount of power (although still minuscule amounts of power and an almost laughably low capacity factor). If people have to charge their vehicles during the day, your comment is valid and a huge investment would be required to try to provide the required power.

Given enough electric vehicles with big enough batteries, the grid could actually be reduced in capacity. The most expensive power is peaking power to deal with the worst hours each year. The plants for peaking power aren't substantially cheaper, but they only run a few hours each year (instead of the majority of the time like the nukes), making them cost effective for the utility puts the price somewhere above solar (last I heard was ~0.75$/Kwh for natural gas peaking plants). If people plugged in their cars during peak energy days, the car batteries could be used as distributed generation to keep the A/C going. If your car has a real 200 km range and your commute is only 100km return, giving up 50 km of your capacity in exchange for $0.50/Kwh may work. You would refill overnight for $0.10. Given a Tesla with an 85 KwH battery, on peak days, selling a quarter charge would net you about $9 (assuming the wear on the battery is negligible). The scary part of this system is it relys on people to plug in their cars during the day, if people decide not too, the whole grid could crash (unless there was enough reserve capacity that could be brought online, but if that capacity is sitting there, using electric cars is even more wasteful as we would be paying power plants not to run while paying car owners to provide power).
 
Boi-O-Lex said:
As far as I know it's only on American Netflix. I don't use the Canadian version as it blows.. these bikes are a joke in my opinion. Took them 26 min to do a lap at isle of man, when they are usually done in under 16min...
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I didn't think anyone still used Netflix without a US VPN server.
 
Tornique said:
I enjoyed it, but if they had held off until 2013 when motoczysz took on the Goliath Honda with John McGuiness, it would have had more racing substance. That was a battle and a half, 2 seconds spread pitting Motoczysz ~$350k bike vs Honda's $4.3mil developed bike.
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Motoczysz now has millions invested in their bikes.
 
VFR.CBR said:
IOM TT Lap Records

Outright John McGuinness Honda CBR1000RR 2013 17:11.572 131.671mph

TT Zero Electric Bike Michael Rutter MotoCzysz E1PC 2013 20:38.461 109.675mph

These are not slow bikes. 109 MPH average over the IOM course is bloody fast.
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He has no idea what he is talking about. 175km/hr average speed is something we cannot comprehend. They top out at 220km/hr, where most SS bikes posers would thoroughly crap their pants.
 
Dave L said:
Certainly battery technology needs to improve before you will see an electric vehicle at every house but the bigger issue is the actually delivery of power to charge those batteries. The entire infrastructure from generation to transmission to distribution would need to be re-done.
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I won't bother with links, but this myth is popular on the internet, and it's wrong.

The point is not the current numbers, but the rate at which those numbers are changing. The early Zero TT was mostly guys in sheds, students, with no budgets.
The good news is that there is substantially more investment and very smart guys working on this technology, so we need to just get of the way and let smart people do the work.
Already, the electric times are faster than some gas categories, and that's after 36 whopping months, versus 80 years on gas tech development.

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[TH]Category[/TH]
[TH]Rider(s)[/TH]
[TH]Machine[/TH]
[TH]Year[/TH]
[TH]Time[/TH]
[TH]Average speed[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: Gainsboro"]
[TH]Outright[/TH]
[TD]John McGuinness[/TD]
[TD]Honda CBR1000RR[/TD]
[TD]2013[/TD]
[TD]17:11.572[/TD]
[TD]131.671 miles per hour (211.904 km/h)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]TT Superbike[/TH]
[TD]John McGuinness[/TD]
[TD]Honda CBR1000RR[/TD]
[TD]2013[/TD]
[TD]17:11.572[/TD]
[TD]131.671 miles per hour (211.904 km/h)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Supersport TT[/TH]
[TD]Michael Dunlop[/TD]
[TD]Honda CBR600RR[/TD]
[TD]2013[/TD]
[TD]17:35.659[/TD]
[TD]128.666 miles per hour (207.068 km/h)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Lightweight TT (Snaefell)[/TH]
[TD]James Hillier[/TD]
[TD]Kawasaki ER650[/TD]
[TD]2013[/TD]
[TD]19:00.168[/TD]
[TD]119.130 miles per hour (191.721 km/h)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Lightweight TT (Billown)[/TH]
[TD]Chris Palmer[/TD]
[TD]Honda[/TD]
[TD]2009[/TD]
[TD]20:29.068[/TD]
[TD]102.321 miles per hour (164.670 km/h)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Ultra-Lightweight TT (Snaefell)[/TH]
[TD]Chris Palmer[/TD]
[TD]Honda[/TD]
[TD]2004[/TD]
[TD]20:20.87[/TD]
[TD]110.52 miles per hour (177.86 km/h)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Ultra-Lightweight TT (Billown)[/TH]
[TD]Ian Lougher[/TD]
[TD]Honda[/TD]
[TD]2009[/TD]
[TD]2:39.291[/TD]
[TD]94.911 miles per hour (152.744 km/h)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Senior TT[/TH]
[TD]John McGuinness[/TD]
[TD]Honda CBR1000RR[/TD]
[TD]2009[/TD]
[TD]17:12.30[/TD]
[TD]131.578 miles per hour (211.754 km/h)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]TT Superstock[/TH]
[TD]Michael Dunlop[/TD]
[TD]Honda CBR1000RR[/TD]
[TD]2013[/TD]
[TD]17:15.114[/TD]
[TD]131.220 miles per hour (211.178 km/h)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]TT Zero[/TH]
[TD]Michael Rutter[/TD]
[TD]MotoCzysz E1pc[/TD]
[TD]2013[/TD]
[TD]20:38.461[/TD]
[TD]109.675 miles per hour (176.505 km/h)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Sidecar TT[/TH]
[TD]Nick Crowe and
Daniel Sayle[/TD]
[TD]LCR Honda 600 Sidecar[/TD]
[TD]2007[/TD]
[TD]19:24.24[/TD]
[TD]116.6
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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