Probably forwards directly to dev/null
I have a strong suspicion his cellphone texts and calls are screened as well. There’s no way that it’s unfettered access to his number, his phone would literally never stop ringing with calls and texts.
Certifications starting March 2025....
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I have a strong suspicion his cellphone texts and calls are screened as well. There’s no way that it’s unfettered access to his number, his phone would literally never stop ringing with calls and texts.
I've never called him but that's apparently what happens. I would carry two phones. One to give out as my personal number and one with tightly controlled access for calls I want.
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So, yeah, right into the circular file.
So, rather than speculate I called GP Bikes service dept. Nice guy. They haven't started training on the new process, did not have a date for when new process would be up and running. Current cost for a safety is $150, he commented the cost would probably double, but did not know for certain. He'd heard through his grapevine that some shops would simply stop doing safeties. He did mention that the busy crazy time for service appointment began in April and you might wait 2 - 3 weeks to get in.
I think this change in the process will have the biggest impact on private buyers and sellers this coming spring. A seller might have an issue geeting an appointment and a buyer, if no safety done, will have the same issue and a delay in getting on the road. Maybe the ticker here is for a seller to get the safety done 2nd week of March and get the bike sold and registered before the certificate expires.
If you're planning to sell mid summer all of the problems could well be sorted out by then + the spring rush for service is over.
I think this change in the process will have the biggest impact on private buyers and sellers this coming spring. A seller might have an issue geeting an appointment and a buyer, if no safety done, will have the same issue and a delay in getting on the road. Maybe the ticker here is for a seller to get the safety done 2nd week of March and get the bike sold and registered before the certificate expires.
If you're planning to sell mid summer all of the problems could well be sorted out by then + the spring rush for service is over.
I think the bigger issue for many sellers will be the black/white line that will exist near the start of the program. While many safeties now have some flexibility, I expect that to go away until mechanics get used to the new program and know where the paths for "efficiency" exist. It sounds like most shops that plan to enter the program should transition in february or so to allow them to be up to speed by the time the rush hits. Waiting until april to make the switch could be a disaster that brings sales to a halt.
TK4
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Or just trash can the whole deal. It would be simple enough to go paperless under the existing guidelines and stop there.
Fake safeties is a huge problem and I strongly suspect that’s what it’s aimed at. Take a look at the screenshot I posted earlier in this thread of safeties for sale with “delivery available“. Says all that needs to be said.
With the requirements for photographs and such now I am sure that the ability to fudge the sorts of things will be greatly reduced, although probably never entirely eliminated as there will still be people out there willing to reuse images, and continue to just stuff the system with fake information to make quick cash.
It comes down to actually having somebody on the receiving end of this new system reviewing the images and making sure that they actually match the car being serviced and aren’t just generic duplicates or whatever, and then action being taken often and strongly enough with offenders to put a genuine scare into the people abusing the system.
As I suspect all of this information just goes into a giant black box somewhere and nobody pays the slightest bit of attention to it with the exception of the occasional enforcement action, probably nothing will change.
Checking for duplicate images in the system is a great use of computers. That should quickly and easily flag safeties and mechanics that deserve the fuzzy eyeball. Now, will they do that or will they even do manual audits? Giant question mark. Another automated flag could be time between safeties or safeties/day or similar metric. If a mechanic submits ten a day, that deserves a closer look. If they find sketchiness will they deploy a large enough hammer to strike fear into others (eg suspend mechanics ticket for a period of time)? If the punishment is just a small fine, this will solve nothing and only serve to drive costs up.
This would be an amazing use for AI, however that assumes that the government has actually meaningfully thought the process out and engaged all of these contractors and third party providers in any sort of contract that would make them responsible to sift through the data after the fact and actually do stuff with it. Versus the “let it rot on a server somewhere and see how much or that sweet government money we can stuff directly into our pockets while doing the absolute minimum possible after we land that contract” option.
I expect the latter.
Globe and Mail's Lou Trottier has an article regarding safety inspections.
Once the learning curve is over he says the new process takes an extra 15 minutes for car / light trucks and should not increase cost too much.
There may be a paywall issue with accessing this article.
www.theglobeandmail.com
Here is a YT video link to the video in the G & M article.
Trottier has a number of great YT videos you can access through this link, including his Ferrari 308 restoration.
Once the learning curve is over he says the new process takes an extra 15 minutes for car / light trucks and should not increase cost too much.
There may be a paywall issue with accessing this article.
How Ontario is digitizing safety inspections for cars to increase transparency
The province is replacing its old program with DriveON, a system which uses an android tablet that communicates with the ministry while the technician does the inspection
www.theglobeandmail.com
Here is a YT video link to the video in the G & M article.
Trottier has a number of great YT videos you can access through this link, including his Ferrari 308 restoration.
So, as often happens, things just being overblown?
Depends if most shops decide not to bother it will be very hard to sell a private vehicle. The government already gives dealers a tax advantage.
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I think the chance of shops opting to “not bother” is very very low - shops make good money on repairs as a result of failed vehicle certifications. To say they are no longer willing to do certifications would be to spite themselves out of the money on any resulting repairs that vehicle needs.
My mechanic has no interest in the new system. He outsources the safety to a local body shop.
I know a few that aren't going to bother. The cost isn't worth it. If it takes months to get a safety what does that do to the used market. As a dealer why bother doing external safeties.
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AFJ
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So, if I have a 1930's - era motorcycle that I want a "safety" for in order to license and insure it for use on a public road how is the "electronic system" going to handle it?
Long ago the "tester" would either ride the vintage bike around his premises to see that it was "safe". (Or in one case I rode while he watched, it was a hand-shift gear-boxed, lever-throttled 1920's bike - with acetylene head and tail lights, and bulb horn.)
AFJ
Long ago the "tester" would either ride the vintage bike around his premises to see that it was "safe". (Or in one case I rode while he watched, it was a hand-shift gear-boxed, lever-throttled 1920's bike - with acetylene head and tail lights, and bulb horn.)
AFJ
The rules haven't changed. Safety is still limited to items that were required or present at the time of production. Mechanic was supposed to test brake function before. I haven't heard of video being required just static pictures so the mechanics inability to ride a bike with an oddball control system is no different than before.
Is Brampton exempt?
