Certifications starting March 2025....

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last time I send this bloody application back for yet another STUPID reason! They could not have made this process MORE aggravating!!!!
If they kick it back again... that's it, I'm OUT of the program.
Anybody looking to buy or sell a motorcycle starting next March, get ready for a huge hassle and sizeable expenditure.
The few shops that will trudge through this crazy process will be charging a lot of money for a certification, and I do not blame them one bit. Expect to pay between $300 and $500 from now on. And wait probably weeks to get one.
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Yea - I came across this on the Globe & Mail / Youtube as well.
Not a fun experience for shop owners. Just hope they dont bring back exhaust emission tests next...Last thing i want is them plugging into my OBD II port for annual inspections like they do in the US.

 
A friend of mine won't do safties for cars anymore. The horse$#!+ associated with the new safties is ridiculous. It's always been a stupid system here, but it just got worse. Way worse.

In Czechia they do it way better in my opinion. You take the car to the ministry, they look it over and give you a laundry list. Get the repairs done where ever you want and come back, once it passes, you get your sticker.
 
If you all think car safeties are expensive and a pain in the ass, you should see class 8 annuals. And those are every single year, for the life of the equipment.
 
Ugh. Not looking forward to doing that anytime soon.

Poland has a decent system. Annual check up of the car. Not sure about details but I’ve yet to hear a complaint.
 
mimico_polak said:
Poland has a decent system. Annual check up of the car. Not sure about details but I’ve yet to hear a complaint.
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If it's what everyone is used to and has been a thing forever as an accepted practice, then complaints probably wouldn't be plentiful.

Lots of US states do annual inspections on vehicles as well. Canada is an generally an outlier with this whole "inspect it once when you buy it and then drive it for 20 years without it ever needing to be looked at ever again" routine.
 
POWERMAN said:
t...Last thing i want is them plugging into my OBD II port for annual inspections like they do in the US.
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I'm still expecting them bring in recurrent safeties very soon. As part of that plug into OBDII to download mileage and add a per km road tax (possibly based on vehicle weight). That makes EV's pay for the wear and tear on the roads.
 
I've had 10-12 safeties done at the same shop for 30 years. I'm now at the point where if the bike is for me they will make exceptions (non folding footpegs could be overlooked on my next project)
I wonder what kind of leeway is still available with the new system.
 
timtune said:
I've had 10-12 safeties done at the same shop for 30 years. I'm now at the point where if the bike is for me they will make exceptions (non folding footpegs could be overlooked on my next project)
I wonder what kind of leeway is still available with the new system.
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It depends where the pictures are required. I suspect that at least initially, mechanics will run a lot closer to perfection than they may have previously. A failing item in the background of another unrelated picture could cost you your license if the authorities wanted to clamp down.
 
GreyGhost said:
I'm still expecting them bring in recurrent safeties very soon. As part of that plug into OBDII to download mileage and add a per km road tax (possibly based on vehicle weight). That makes EV's pay for the wear and tear on the roads
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I think that would be political kryptonite, and we all know politicians are only interested in doing things that will get them reelected, not actually making any tough decision decisions that need to be made.

As for mileage based taxes, it is logistically challenging – probably somewhere in the range of 5000 km of our 2017 Volts mileage last summer was incurred out of the province and rest assured I am certainly not giving the province a dime in road taxes for mileage which actually wasn’t even driven here. So how do they manage that aspect? Any self disclosure process will be wholesale abused, and people like me who actually legit run big miles may end up being unnecessarily given the fuzzy eyeball. So what then, we have to keep receipts and logs?
 
PrivatePilot said:
I think that would be political kryptonite, and we all know politicians are only interested in doing things that will get them reelected, not actually making any tough decision decisions that need to be made.

As for mileage based taxes, it is logistically challenging – probably somewhere in the range of 5000 km of our 2017 Volts mileage last summer was incurred out of the province and rest assured I am certainly not giving the province a dime in road taxes for mileage which actually wasn’t even driven here. So how do they manage that aspect? Any self disclosure process will be wholesale abused, and people like me who actually legit run big miles may end up being unnecessarily given the fuzzy eyeball. So what then, we have to keep receipts and logs?
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As for political kryptonite, I don't know if it matters. Douggie probably wins next ontario election in the spring. This won't come until after that. Statistically, Cons won't win a third provincial election anyway. No where for him to go at federal level as PP will be PM. Doug will be in a position to make changes without being too concerned about personal consequences. He could use that to implement unpopular but helpful policies or he could use that to build personal wealth for friends and family.

I just assume they will ignore edge cases and charge per km for vehicles registered in ON. Part of me wonders if Douggie will have different rates for EV and ICE as ICE has already paid gas tax but that makes vehicles like the Volt complicated as it can be either of those or anywhere in between depending on how the operator uses it. Per km by weight is far simpler and somewhat justifiable. I don't expect it to be a huge number but it would definitely add up. Probably starting in the ballpark of $0.01/km to make the average driver pay about the same as the cancelled plate fees. Your 5000 km out of province would only be $50 and while annoying, not a number big enough to fight hard over.
 
I find it very hard to believe this program will be up and running for Light Vehicles as of April 1, 2025.

For motorcycles the spring is a crazy time to get service of any type and the ability or willingness of dealers to allocate resources to a new and more time consuming government mandated program for private sellers will be very limited IMO. Dealers will be more focussed on supporting their own traded in stock and getting it ready for resale, not helping private sellers prepare to compete with them on the market. Assuming bike dealers will be ready at all.

For all Light Vehicles the cost of the new inspection will greatly assist dealers in leveraging unneeded or overly expensive repairs from private sellers. The inspection fee, maybe $300 - $500 has to be paid whether the vehicle passes or not. So you can expect dealers to come back to seller with a list of things that have to be done so the vehicle will pass.

Key question is if a hard copy safety inspection certification issued prior to April 1, 2025 can be used to register a vehicle after March 31, 2025. I assume so and that they would expire in 36 days. You can expect a frenzy of private sales in March and April using the old process before it expires.
 
ReSTored said:
I find it very hard to believe this program will be up and running for Light Vehicles as of April 1, 2025.

For motorcycles the spring is a crazy time to get service of any type and the ability or willingness of dealers to allocate resources to a new and more time consuming government mandated program for private sellers will be very limited IMO. Dealers will be more focussed on supporting their own traded in stock and getting it ready for resale, not helping private sellers prepare to compete with them on the market. Assuming bike dealers will be ready at all.

For all Light Vehicles the cost of the new inspection will greatly assist dealers in leveraging unneeded or overly expensive repairs from private sellers. The inspection fee, maybe $300 - $500 has to be paid whether the vehicle passes or not. So you can expect dealers to come back to seller with a list of things that have to be done so the vehicle will pass.

Key question is if a hard copy safety inspection certification issued prior to April 1, 2025 can be used to register a vehicle after March 31, 2025. I assume so and that they would expire in 36 days. You can expect a frenzy of private sales in March and April using the old process before it expires.
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Bike dealers have to be at least partly ready or all of their used stock will be dead. As a minimum, they need to be far enough in the process to safety their own inventory. Farming that out would kill profit margins.

I assume the 36 days will be unchanged. That being said, that's not a zero sum game either. IIRC, the government gets their cut by selling you very expensive pieces of paper for the safety certificate. If a dealer pre-emptively safetied their used fleet, that would cost them quite a lot of money and not all bikes would sell prior to the certs expiring.
 
ReSTored said:
I find it very hard to believe this program will be up and running for Light Vehicles as of April 1, 2025.

For motorcycles the spring is a crazy time to get service of any type and the ability or willingness of dealers to allocate resources to a new and more time consuming government mandated program for private sellers will be very limited IMO. Dealers will be more focussed on supporting their own traded in stock and getting it ready for resale, not helping private sellers prepare to compete with them on the market. Assuming bike dealers will be ready at all.

For all Light Vehicles the cost of the new inspection will greatly assist dealers in leveraging unneeded or overly expensive repairs from private sellers. The inspection fee, maybe $300 - $500 has to be paid whether the vehicle passes or not. So you can expect dealers to come back to seller with a list of things that have to be done so the vehicle will pass.

Key question is if a hard copy safety inspection certification issued prior to April 1, 2025 can be used to register a vehicle after March 31, 2025. I assume so and that they would expire in 36 days. You can expect a frenzy of private sales in March and April using the old process before it expires.
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The only problem will be that any organized shop will convert before March 31 and you can't run both programs (paper based MVIS and the Drive On tablet system) at the same time. Once you flip the switch to the tablet, that's all you can use.

If I ran a shop I would convert in February so everyone has time to get used to the new system before the Spring rush.
 
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