Car vs Bike, yes again. Shot at TMP.

Bikes don't race cars on the track so who gives a crap about the results of this "test"?

This comparison has no value other than to some 12 year old boys that want to know "what's fastest". A specific car may or may not beat a specific bike on a specific track under certain conditions. Riding on the road is a different issue. Riding in the rain is a different issue. It's all just puerile and meaningless.
 
Bikes don't race cars on the track so who gives a crap about the results of this "test"?

This comparison has no value other than to some 12 year old boys that want to know "what's fastest". A specific car may or may not beat a specific bike on a specific track under certain conditions. Riding on the road is a different issue. Riding in the rain is a different issue. It's all just puerile and meaningless.

Pretty much..
 
and not throw a total curve ball...

take that rider and put him in the drivers seat and he WILL perform better than the driver in the riders seat.

Forget about the machines and lets talk drivers/riders....being a rider will make you a better driver, being a better driver wont make you diddly on a bike.

btw...500 hp supercharged 6.2L V8 and its running 13's....thats farking pathetic.
 
Did anyone catch the "winning" 2-lap road course time? Looks like 2:56.1 to me. :disgust::
 
maaaaaaaaaan, give me that gixxer, ill show them how slow their over priced volkswagen beetle and overpriced chevy cavalier really are
 
Did anyone catch the "winning" 2-lap road course time? Looks like 2:56.1 to me. :disgust::

Good eye. Even if they timed from a standing start that's really unimpressive.

Their whole methodology is suspect, if they were trying to compare the performance of the vehicles alone. They shouldn't have had a signaled start to the drag races or braking tests, they should have just instrumented the vehicles and have the drivers start whenever the hell they want, to eliminate response time as a variable.
 
response time is not a variable unless doing heads up racing.

the time starts when the beam is tripped = when you start moving...

it will show you your response time but its not calculated into the run
 
The credibility for this video went out the window for me when they stated that the Gixxer was "state-of-the-art".

If a Gixxer is considered "state of the art" (lacks traction control, ABS).....then what are bikes like the S1000RR, ZX10, and Aprilia considered then? :lmao:
 
response time is not a variable unless doing heads up racing.

the time starts when the beam is tripped = when you start moving...

it will show you your response time but its not calculated into the run

I admit I'm no drag racing fan, but if reaction time doesn't count then why are they always in such a rush to get off the line!?!?!?
 
I admit I'm no drag racing fan, but if reaction time doesn't count then why are they always in such a rush to get off the line!?!?!?
He stated it there.
When you're watching NHRA and the like, that is heads up racing so reaction time matters as it's HUGE in the skill, and being able to launch immediately while maintaining traction is what these guys master. It's the first 60feet or so that are huge.
Now with bracket racing you can run an 8 second machine against an 11 second machine and have a "race" giving the faster car a time start delay handicap, reaction time also matters here.
 
Before this gets out of hand (like most threads on this board seem to), lets clarify a few things. Yeah, Ken and I were set up - we pretty much knew this going in but who wouldn't jump at the chance to do what we did? The test took place the Friday before the Labour Day weekend. We rode the bikes there, across Toronto, rode them all day and then rode back - the temp that day was 33 degrees C.

We had three practice runs at the strip before the timed runs - and we only did two of those. We used the approved, NHRA Christmas Tree timing. As indicated, the Suzuki has a very tall first gear and no traction control, making it difficult to launch properly. I've been on a drag strip once before but Ken has done a lot of drag racing previously.

Braking? It's a given the cars would win this. We rolled along the strip at 120 kmh and applied the brakes at the end of the 1/4 mile, right where a lot of engine blowups occur. Again, two practice stops and two for official distance.

Road course - we got a total of about six practice laps before the timed ones. I'd ridden Cayuga once before in 2002 and Ken had never been there. I'm pretty sure all the experts posting here couldn't have done much better, riding a bike they'd never ridden before on a track they'd ridden nine years earlier with six practice laps under their belt. Plus, I thought the format would be a standing start, a warm-up lap, then a flying tmed lap, like WSBK Superpole but after, I found out that both laps were timed. Didn't matter - the GSXR's brakes were fading so badly, the lever was coming back to the grip after four corners so I didn't feel comfortable pushing it any harder.

Rob Mac and others, thanks for backing me up. Corbo, don't know who you are but as for "not that fast on a track" let's just say I'm smiling over that one and I'd compare racing resumes any day.

The point of the exercise was that it requires very few skills to go fairly fast in a car under various conditions than it does on a motorcycle. That point was made when I took the Porsche out and, even though I'd never driven a car on a track before, I was four-wheel drifting and hanging the *** end out within two laps.

Given a full track day situation, we could've set up the GSXR's suspension properly and I could've easily found two seconds as at Cayuga, that's only about a quarter second per corner. No problem. But with the time available, it just wasn't happening, especially as we had to ride the bikes home again.

Thanks to everyone for reading the article. As I said, next time I'll bring a CBR1000 with Honda's sportbike ABS. It'd be even better if we could do it at Mosport or Shannonville - two tracks I'm a lot more familiar with and could get up to speed a little quicker.
 
Thank you for posting. Its always good to hear the intimate details of an event such as this.

i am surprised to hear of brake fade on the GSXR seeing as how they went with the Brembo system in 2011 because of issue of brake fade with previous Nissin parts.
 
Thx for posting Steve. Ken is my main guy at GP bikes (he gave me a heads up that the two of you were doing this event during my first service a few weeks ago). My Diavel Carbon only gets touched by him. just a great stand up guy who will go the extra mile for his customers. In fact, he just adjusted my suspension to the same settings he used at your outing and i found that they were much much better then the factory settings.

In speaking with Ken recently he said he had a blast with the Devil bike and that it was very impressive on all fronts.

Curious did you get a chance to try it out? I'm an avid reader of your column and would love to see a full review in one of your articles!

Cheers










Before this gets out of hand (like most threads on this board seem to), lets clarify a few things. Yeah, Ken and I were set up - we pretty much knew this going in but who wouldn't jump at the chance to do what we did? The test took place the Friday before the Labour Day weekend. We rode the bikes there, across Toronto, rode them all day and then rode back - the temp that day was 33 degrees C.

We had three practice runs at the strip before the timed runs - and we only did two of those. We used the approved, NHRA Christmas Tree timing. As indicated, the Suzuki has a very tall first gear and no traction control, making it difficult to launch properly. I've been on a drag strip once before but Ken has done a lot of drag racing previously.

Braking? It's a given the cars would win this. We rolled along the strip at 120 kmh and applied the brakes at the end of the 1/4 mile, right where a lot of engine blowups occur. Again, two practice stops and two for official distance.

Road course - we got a total of about six practice laps before the timed ones. I'd ridden Cayuga once before in 2002 and Ken had never been there. I'm pretty sure all the experts posting here couldn't have done much better, riding a bike they'd never ridden before on a track they'd ridden nine years earlier with six practice laps under their belt. Plus, I thought the format would be a standing start, a warm-up lap, then a flying tmed lap, like WSBK Superpole but after, I found out that both laps were timed. Didn't matter - the GSXR's brakes were fading so badly, the lever was coming back to the grip after four corners so I didn't feel comfortable pushing it any harder.

Rob Mac and others, thanks for backing me up. Corbo, don't know who you are but as for "not that fast on a track" let's just say I'm smiling over that one and I'd compare racing resumes any day.

The point of the exercise was that it requires very few skills to go fairly fast in a car under various conditions than it does on a motorcycle. That point was made when I took the Porsche out and, even though I'd never driven a car on a track before, I was four-wheel drifting and hanging the *** end out within two laps.

Given a full track day situation, we could've set up the GSXR's suspension properly and I could've easily found two seconds as at Cayuga, that's only about a quarter second per corner. No problem. But with the time available, it just wasn't happening, especially as we had to ride the bikes home again.

Thanks to everyone for reading the article. As I said, next time I'll bring a CBR1000 with Honda's sportbike ABS. It'd be even better if we could do it at Mosport or Shannonville - two tracks I'm a lot more familiar with and could get up to speed a little quicker.
 
maaaaaaaaaan, give me that gixxer, ill show them how slow their over priced volkswagen beetle and overpriced chevy cavalier really are

Sit back down.
 
The brake fade on the GSXR is probably due to having rubber brake lines.

As for Bond's riding ability, I'm really surprised at some of you and your comments, I would say the bikes were very well represented with him at the helm, and as I understand Ken is no slouch either.
 
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