Back then being an idiot was frowned upon. Not much has changed.
Cancel culture
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Mad Mike
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I don't agree.
If it were limited to calling one out for their current actions, then OK -- but more often that not it's calling someone out for past behaviour that would have been generally accepted by the standards and norms of the day.
30 years ago a wink at someone in the cafeteria at the office would have been a flirt -- nothing more. Today that could lead an accusation of sexual harassment - and that's OK today as we are trained and conditioned differently than we were 30 years ago. Cancel the person who does that now, but don't reach back into his or her history 30 years and cancel that person today for behaving acceptably back then.
I'm saddened to hear JC has to govern his lectures, likely as a means of self preservation. Having had to do this myself I know it limits the knowledge and experience one seeks to pass along to learners. When I was lecturing, I spent more time than necessary looking preparing safe milq-toast ways to deliver controversial topics. For example, I taught a lesson on harassment in the workplace, while exploring inappropriate behaviour I used 'approved slides' to list the don'ts. I could have used stories and shock examples, framed them as such to get better engagement and drive the points deeper. That would put me at extreme risk as my words or actions could be clipped and repeated completely out of context.
slowbird
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The internet has just given the idiots a soapbox for which to hoist themselves upon and confirm their idiocy to the world for all to see. And find others just like them.
I liked it better when it required some skill to get online.
I might be stating the obvious here, but ya know, just in case
Things like blackface and making unsolicited advances on coworkers were problems 40 years ago, the difference is that they are more widely recognized as problems now
Things like blackface and making unsolicited advances on coworkers were problems 40 years ago, the difference is that they are more widely recognized as problems now
slowbird
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It might be obvious to some of us, but not to everyone. So we just have to keep saying it till people understand.
Mad Mike
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Were you there 40 years ago?
I recall children going to school on Halloween dressed as Aunt Jemimah and Uncle Ben. Tomato night in front of the St Charles tavern. Young girls competing fiercely for unpaid jobs as Argo cheerleaders. Ads like this were common.
Time changes things.
If you weren't there, spin up a rerun of Archie Bunker, Benny Hill, or the Jonny Carson show.
Malks
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My mom had one of those. I guess my dad liked the ad
. I can remember driving it and I think it had a three speed floor shift.Cancel Culture, what, a way of killing bacteria in a petri dish, a way of stopping stores from playing music to turn away the class of patrons they don't want, disbanding the Toronto symphony, The Rolling Stones finally retire because it's hard to play guitars in a wheelchair. yeah just another catch phrase.
It sounds to me like you might think that the problem with these things is that they are offensive to people, and not that they are marginalizing
Not to mention having the safety of not necessarily having to do what you preach.
Mad Mike
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I know exactly what they are. The point is not whether they are offensive or marginalizing - you moved those goalposts.
The point is that cultures change over time and whether it's acceptable to apply today's cultural prosecution to actions that were ok in the past.
It’s Saturday night…a few hundred years ago this would be prime witch burning time!
We absolutely know that’s bad now but back then you lot would have been out on your souped up ox carts with a big bag of toasted turnip scrapings for some nightly necromancer BBQ entertainment.
The most important thing is the difference between what you know now and what you knew “then”. If you know now that something back then was wrong, but continue to act the same way, that just means you’re an *******. If you knew back then it was wrong and still did it ..you were also an ******* then.
The problem right now is one of balance. How can you form a real opinion of something if one side of an argument has offended someone somewhere to the extent it’s been censored and is no longer in the public realm to be discussed? I’m not talking about idiotic things like Holocaust denial, or flat earth discussions or things that have overwhelming facts available to support them.
There’s a whole bunch of things that we know (or most of us know) that are insulting or just plain wrong. Then there’s things like comedy acts where the material is often in a grey area..is it funny because it’s insulting, or is it funny because it’s an obvious parody? Or is this just insults dressed as comedy even?
Meh..late night ranting!
We absolutely know that’s bad now but back then you lot would have been out on your souped up ox carts with a big bag of toasted turnip scrapings for some nightly necromancer BBQ entertainment.
The most important thing is the difference between what you know now and what you knew “then”. If you know now that something back then was wrong, but continue to act the same way, that just means you’re an *******. If you knew back then it was wrong and still did it ..you were also an ******* then.
The problem right now is one of balance. How can you form a real opinion of something if one side of an argument has offended someone somewhere to the extent it’s been censored and is no longer in the public realm to be discussed? I’m not talking about idiotic things like Holocaust denial, or flat earth discussions or things that have overwhelming facts available to support them.
There’s a whole bunch of things that we know (or most of us know) that are insulting or just plain wrong. Then there’s things like comedy acts where the material is often in a grey area..is it funny because it’s insulting, or is it funny because it’s an obvious parody? Or is this just insults dressed as comedy even?
Meh..late night ranting!
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You’re correct IMO. Lot of people upset about things our fathers and grandfathers did back in the days of old….meanwhile forgetting that they themselves would have been right there with the mob.
I don’t hate the Russians or Germans or Ukrainians for invading us…because the current generation didn’t do it, and had nothing to do with it. Now my focus is on Belarus….interesting times.
As for cancel culture….to me it means nothing, just another sound bite. They are consequences for ones actions….hopefully justified and not made up by the offended few.
my concern with cancel culture is what happens next. Do we find out Jack Layton was the leader in a kiddie porn ring and now we have the rename everything he touched? Where does it stop?
Do the woke folks gather in Rome and tear down about 500 statues and sculpture since the Romans had a connection to slavery and racism ? Do we go to Scandinavia and do away with everything Viking because they raped and pillaged the UK?
This **** need to stop , there is nothing woke about being woke. Amazing that John Cleese will become the spokesman for the truly woke.
Do the woke folks gather in Rome and tear down about 500 statues and sculpture since the Romans had a connection to slavery and racism ? Do we go to Scandinavia and do away with everything Viking because they raped and pillaged the UK?
This **** need to stop , there is nothing woke about being woke. Amazing that John Cleese will become the spokesman for the truly woke.
Here’s a conundrum for the modern day gen-x er.
Nelly McLung…proponent of eugenics, racist….one of the founders of the group that brought the vote to women.
Nelly McLung…proponent of eugenics, racist….one of the founders of the group that brought the vote to women.
Didn’t the guy get fired from his job at Hydro and then get it back quietly later when he lawyered up?Remember this gal confronting the three drunk guys about the drunker guy and what he said?
THE REINSTATEMENT OF SHAWN SIMOES: TAKEAWAYS FOR EMPLOYERS
www.williamshrlaw.com
He may no longer work at HOne as he’s not on the sunshine list since 2014 but those are the first links I saw.
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