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Canada Votes 2019
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Mad Mike
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Alberta went NDP like Ontario did a few years back -- it was a one time non-confidence dalliance. I think most Albertans woke up with a pounding political hangover the day the NDP took power, not unlike the majority of Ontarians did on Oct 1 1990. Neither province is likely to repeat.
I agree that provincial trade borders need to go. I don't know what to make of resource ownership -- should all Canadians have a stake in our water, minerals, and other natural resources or do they belong to the provinces?
Mad Mike
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I would like this twice if I could.
After living in the US and bringing my kids up there, I'm amazed at how little of a grasp most Canadians have on Civics. In the US, every child is educated on how government works starting in Grade 1. They learn about federal, state and local politics, by grade 5 most can have a deeper discusion about political alignment than most adult Canadians, and by the time they leave high school they have a good understanding of debt, lawmaking, sovereignty, and the political processes from their town hall to the Whitehouse.
I think keeping Canadians politically ignorant is akin to not letting slaves learn how to read -- take the knowledge and you take the power.
Would you say it's widespread knowledge or does the quality of education vary widely from one state to another, without also mentioning the public vs private schooling system.
I remember having courses about politics in my "Secondary school" (grew up in quebec) and learn about macro economics. But i know here in Canada the curriculum is created at the provincial level so one province can focus on whatever they want and feel is important.
Honestly, i find that politics in general are turning into a reality tv show, and in the end, the real narrative isn't controlled by the Prime Ministrel (intended spelling) or the Presiclown, it's just a nice smoke show to give the electorate the illusion that they have control over what matters to them. What is it they say again? We keep blaming the right wing or the left wing but we need both to fly?
Mad Mike
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In the US quality of education varies considerably from county to county. I lived in Ventura California, it was similar community, demographics and income levels to Markham, the schools were excellent. When we enrolled our kids here, they were all a year ahead having already covered the and grasped the curriculum. Same happened to my sister, she was in Chicagoland. I think the biggest difference was the teachers themselves, most in our schools held masters degrees - that's not the case everywhere.
They also understand rubrics and can report on performance with much finer detail -- they don't mince their data.
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interesting
so how do they end of with an imbecile like Trump?
I think I kind of know
but just fishing for other view points
I had different experineces when we had the US homes, I was based in AZ and FLA, both rural addresses. I didnt find open minded or particulaly well rounded politcally educated people. The education system varies widely is a broad brush, we found "your a Dem or Rep, and thats the way you vote" because thats how dad voted, and maybe gramps.
But i do agree, mention the Westminster system to a Canadian and they think you are referencing clock chimes.
The next federal gong show will be what to do with "Wexit" , falling oil prices, impacted by Trumps never ending trade war with China, layoffs by Husky engery ( LOTS more will follow) and AB/SK think they have the option to leave? Soybeans and wheat are piled in silos, they aren't going to Asia, Potash is down in value, beef farming is now politically incorrect. Thank you St Greta.
But i do agree, mention the Westminster system to a Canadian and they think you are referencing clock chimes.
The next federal gong show will be what to do with "Wexit" , falling oil prices, impacted by Trumps never ending trade war with China, layoffs by Husky engery ( LOTS more will follow) and AB/SK think they have the option to leave? Soybeans and wheat are piled in silos, they aren't going to Asia, Potash is down in value, beef farming is now politically incorrect. Thank you St Greta.
Would all the provinces share each other's debt?
I dont think it's that simple. Debt was probably incurred to provide infrastructure or services to the population of the province.
It does appear that at least in Alberta, the province controls most of the mineral rights. Now whether there is fine print in the minerals act that would revoke those rights, who knows, I havent bothered looking.
Mineral ownership
The legal possession and the right to win, work and recover specific minerals or resources from beneath the surface of a parcel of land.
Mad Mike
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Not debt - that's decided by the people of each province.
We do share provincial deficits for basic social services through equalization scheme called transfer or equalization payments. Quebec is the biggest benefactor, Liberals have been hands off changing this because it keeps QC red, it drives Western Canada nuts because thier dollars are sent to QC.
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I guess i just vaguely remember the protests about keystone and then hearing about it spilling hundreds of thousands of gallons a few weeks later... (you get to have the perspective of someone vaguely following the news lol)Oil pipelines bursting?
Oil pipelines will not burst/explode. At the most a flange or midway pump may develop a leak. There is technology to immediately detect that and a crew can be helicopter'd in, repairs can be done in 1 - 2 hrs. (trust me, been there done that).
Once in operation, the pipeline mode is safer and has less of an impact on the environment than the present method of transfer. After the construction costs are paid off, it will be less expensive to run.
How will the 'latent' provinces be compensated?
How about a "toll" per barrel of crude transported?
am only thinking aloud, please don't flame me.
Would like your opinion!
"four wheels good, two wheels better"
that's why i'm unclear about how the benefits outweighs the risk
But yeah if it's safe i'd personally not see a problem.
The provincial debt is never going to be shared as a 'group' , there is too much 'well you voted those clowns in', ie; Alberta briefly going NDP. The equalization payments will always be a hard pill to swallow. The liberals gave up a lot of ground to the Bloc in QC, now they need to buy back seats. And the song remains the same.
The pipeline challenge is environmental , it can impact wildlife (but less than a rail line or turnpike) , economic ( it moves product 24/7) , and they are largely safe.
Yes there have been incidents where a monitor has tripped 3 falses in a month and somebody disconnected it . Then the real spill happened.
The bigger issue is nobody wants it in their back yard, UNTIL YOU PAY THEM. then they dont seem so hurt.
The pipeline challenge is environmental , it can impact wildlife (but less than a rail line or turnpike) , economic ( it moves product 24/7) , and they are largely safe.
Yes there have been incidents where a monitor has tripped 3 falses in a month and somebody disconnected it . Then the real spill happened.
The bigger issue is nobody wants it in their back yard, UNTIL YOU PAY THEM. then they dont seem so hurt.
Mad Mike
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Equalization only really needs to be fixed in QC. Vote pandering got it this way, now QC is the lowest productivity province and have the most subsidies (language, federal employment and contracts, dairy, construction, insurance... and more) in the country... that's what happens when you constantly feed bears, they get lazy, nasty and dependent. It's hard to unwind, Liberals wont do it, it's a nuclear furnace for PCs.
on top of it they get taxed the most lol
but the whole mentality out there is a lot more socialist than i see outside of Quebec
As long as you keep the 2-4s in the depanneur and the cheese curds are squeeky enough (and most services they dont have to pay upfront) they'll be happy
Mad Mike
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Yes they are taxed the most, that makes it even worse as they don't run provincial deficits -- the transfer payments cover things other provinces pay. Imagine how happy Ontario would be if they got the same prorate transfer -- an annual $18billion coming our way would make a provincial budget the NDP could balance!
Haha, only until they realized it was balanced. Then they would figure out how to make a larger dumpster fire to ensure our grandkids are *&^*&^.
Also why we were still exporting asbestos for years when everywhere else was banning it...the asbestos mines are in Quebec. That was a disgusting situation.
I thought Quebec was getting some healthy income from selling excess hydroelectric power to the US?
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