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Asking for someone else. She has a M1 and needs to do the exit test. Can a BWS be used for the test? I am too old to know all this graduated stuff :D When I got mine they had just invented the wheel ;)
 
I'm pretty sure that on a scooter you can only do a licence with the L restriction, regardless of the cc's. If she wants a full M, she should do it on a real bike.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
I'm pretty sure that on a scooter you can only do a licence with the L restriction, regardless of the cc's. If she wants a full M, she should do it on a real bike.
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+1.
 
jeffjones said:
+1.
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Kinda like taking your road test with a car that has automatic transmission in certain Euro/South American countries.. Your licence is restricted to auto and you can't drive stick until you pass a road test with stick shift. Realistically, they should do it here, too.
 
Yes you can do the test on a scooter all the way up to your full M. The only restriction is if the scooter is under a certain amount of cc's, then you can only get a LSM (limited speed) class license which restricts you from the 400 highways.



[h=2]Vehicle Descriptions[/h] [h=3]Limited-speed motorcycle (motor scooter)[/h] In Regulation 340/94,made under the Ontario Highway Traffic Act, a limited-speed motorcycle (LSM) is described as:

  1. a motorcycle that:
    • can attain a rate of speed of more than 32 km/hr on level ground within a distance of 1.6 kilometres from a standing start,
    • has a maximum attainable speed of 70 km/hr or less,
    • has steering handlebars that are completely constrained from rotating in relation to the axle of only one wheel in contact with the ground,
    • has a minimum seat height, when the vehicle is unladen, of 650 millimetres
    • has a minimum wheel rim diameter of 250 millimetres and a minimum wheelbase of 1016 millimetres
    • has a maximum engine displacement of 50 cubic centimetres or less, or
  2. if the motorcycle was manufactured on, or after, September 1, 1988, it must have affixed a compliance label required under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) that identifies the motor vehicle as a limited-speed motorcycle.
The definition under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) is the same as above but does not have a minimum attainable speed or a maximum engine displacement. See section 1 (1) of the Ontario Highway Traffic Act for full definition.
 
If it's a BW125 it will work. If its a BW50 it will not, she'll end up with a restricted M2.
 
Must be a couple bikes left in your storage, lend her one of those. :D
 
125cc scooter can do the M2 exit. You will need to tell them so they take you on a non 400 series route. You will get a unrestricted M endorsement.
 
How can I tell if my vehicle is a limited-speed motorcycle?

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The easiest way to identify if your vehicle is a limited-speed motorcycle is by the label. The label is usually fastened to the steering column or under the seat. Look beside "type of vehicle" and it will say LSM/MVL. All newer models of LSMs and mopeds have a label for ease of identification.
If the vehicle was manufactured on, or after, September 1, 1988, it must have affixed a compliance label required under the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) that identifies the motor vehicle as a limited-speed motorcycle.
If the vehicle was manufactured before September 1, 1988 and does not have a label, you will be able to identify it as a limited-speed motorcycle by the following:

  • Electric or gas powered
  • Maximum speed of 70 km/h
  • Automatic transmission
  • Has a "step through" vehicle design
  • Maximum engine displacement of 50 cubic centimetres or less
To see if your LSM meets the approved definition, please see Vehicle Descriptions.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/lsm.shtml#vehicle



[h=2]Road tests for Limited-Speed Motorcycles (LSMs) and Mopeds[/h] Drivers can take the road test on a limited-speed motorcycle or moped and receive a driver's licence for the operation of this type of vehicle only.
The type of M licence issued will be based on the type of vehicle used for the road test:

  • If you bring an LSM or moped for the M1 road test and pass this test, you will be issued a restricted M2 licence with an "L" condition.
  • If you bring a LSM or moped for the M2 road test and pass this test, you will be issued a restricted M licence with an "L" condition.
  • If you bring a full-speed motorcycle for the M1 road test and pass this test, you will be issued a Class M2 licence, which allows you to operate a motorcycle, a limited-speed motorcycle and a moped.
  • If you bring a full-speed motorcycle for the M2 road test and pass this test, you will be issued a Class M licence, which allows you to operate a motorcycle, a limited-speed motorcycle and a moped.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/lsm.shtml#road

 
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DoubleJ said:
125cc scooter can do the M2 exit. You will need to tell them so they take you on a non 400 series route. You will get a unrestricted M endorsement.
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No, it doesn't work that way.


Edit:Slap beat me to it.
 
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i did it ages ago on a 80cc and got my full M i'm going to hopefully say they have upped since then
 
kneedragger88 said:
Asking for someone else. She has a M1 and needs to do the exit test. Can a BWS be used for the test? I am too old to know all this graduated stuff :D When I got mine they had just invented the wheel ;)
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If completes the M1X test at the MTO on a scooter over 50cc she will receive an M2 class license.

No, it doesn't work that way.
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Yes, it does. With a scooter over 50cc you can request a "no highway" M2X road test through many of the riding schools where students are taken onto a 80Kph hwy. rather than a 400 series hwy.
 
Acadian1974 said:
If completes the M1X test at the MTO on a scooter over 50cc she will receive an M2 class license.



Yes, it does. With a scooter over 50cc you can request a "no highway" M2X road test through many of the riding schools where students are taken onto a 80Kph hwy. rather than a 400 series hwy.
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Then why does the MTO classify a limited speed vehicle if it has a step through design?
 
I always thought LSM were anything below 50cc regardless if it were a scooter, motorcycle or even a modified moped. Just make sure to tell them the scooter is above 50cc and not to put the L word otherwise it's a headache to change it.

I think in Toronto they'll take you on the Allen Expressway. In the past other scooter riders got their full M by attending a Humber M2exit course exclusively for scooter riders. Think they had to have a group of them in order for this course to work and not sure if they still do them.
 
jeffjones said:
Then why does the MTO classify a limited speed vehicle if it has a step through design?
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It doesn't, "step through" is only indicated as a qualifier on vehicles manufactured prior to 1988 without a label specifically identifying them as LSM's. The actual MTO definition is as follows:

In Regulation 340/94,made under the Ontario Highway Traffic Act, a limited-speed motorcycle (LSM) is described as:

  1. a motorcycle that:
    • can attain a rate of speed of more than 32 km/hr on level ground within a distance of 1.6 kilometres from a standing start,
    • has a maximum attainable speed of 70 km/hr or less,
    • has steering handlebars that are completely constrained from rotating in relation to the axle of only one wheel in contact with the ground,
    • has a minimum seat height, when the vehicle is unladen, of 650 millimetres
    • has a minimum wheel rim diameter of 250 millimetres and a minimum wheelbase of 1016 millimetres
    • has a maximum engine displacement of 50 cubic centimetres or less, or
  2. if the motorcycle was manufactured on, or after, September 1, 1988, it must have affixed a compliance label required under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) that identifies the motor vehicle as a limited-speed motorcycle.
 
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