Can we legalize lane filtering yet?

So...how many US states allow filtering then? I know the answer but I'm not sure you do. In this "90% of the world", how much of that is in parts of the world with chaotic road laws anyway?

Contrary to popular belief the United states is not the center of the universe, and only 5 % of the worlds population lives in Canada and the US. So lets see, in europe, asia, south america, africa, and australia its legal. Oh and California since its so important.
 
I realize that not all those countries have the most modern roads but come on man filtering is more common than not allowing filtering. I don't know if its that people think that other drivers are truly too stupid to be able to adapt to it, or if they are just too lazy to deal with it but it can work in north america just like it works everywhere else.
 
So...how many US states allow filtering then? I know the answer but I'm not sure you do. In this "90% of the world", how much of that is in parts of the world with chaotic road laws anyway?
I'll take California only for 200 Alex :dontknow:

This debate is never going to end. I wish people felt so passionate about the extortion rates they charge and call insurance in Ontario. Focus your energy there. You're never getting splitting approved here.
 
I realize that not all those countries have the most modern roads but come on man filtering is more common than not allowing filtering. I don't know if its that people think that other drivers are truly too stupid to be able to adapt to it, or if they are just too lazy to deal with it but it can work in north america just like it works everywhere else.

Drivers and riders....in the main countries where filtering works pretty well (Europe) both riders and drivers have rigorous testing, cc based graduated licensing for bikes etc. Here...that's a negative on both counts. As for dismissal of the US, why would you do that when the road rules are practically the same as here with driver and rider licensing very similar too? If most states there don't allow filtering, even in some of the states with 365 days a year riding weather, why the heck do you think Canada would also with it's vanishing lane markings due to salt etc?
 
Like it or not that's the attitude that most people have around here.

"If I have to wait in this line then everyone else should too"

I also think that claiming that motorcyclists want to legalize filtering for the greater good of everyone, not just themselves, is wrong. Their own personal benefit is first and foremost in driving the desire to legalize filtering. This falls into the category of "Don't piss on my shoes an tell me it's raining". I (and we) are not stupid.

you are 100% correct - the main reason I would ask for it to be legalized is for my own sake...the benefits to others are arguments to defend against criticism, not the primary reason for the change.

you are also correct that "most people around here" do indeed have that attitude...my suggestion to anyone who has learned to split and filter safely is just keep doing it - don't harass your fellow ontarians to sign petitions, don't be outraged when hillbillies get mad at you...just carry on.

I have split and filtered my way across the entire US (from Cali to Ont)...people's reactions vary but almost invariably they don't realize you are there until you are already past them...which should be a warning to anyone who is filtering...don't expect cars to move out of your way...and DO expect that they may do things you had not counted on.

I would not encourage your average Ontarian to start splitting...but if you learned in Cali or in the EU...you probably didn't stop when you came back.

If you are going to start doing it here and you hadn't before...make sure you are really good at low speeds and at using the rear brake as a stabilizer first...if moving your bike around parking lots at under 10km/h feels like a chore or difficult you really shouldn't attempt it.
 
Drivers and riders....in the main countries where filtering works pretty well (Europe) both riders and drivers have rigorous testing, cc based graduated licensing for bikes etc. Here...that's a negative on both counts. As for dismissal of the US, why would you do that when the road rules are practically the same as here with driver and rider licensing very similar too? If most states there don't allow filtering, even in some of the states with 365 days a year riding weather, why the heck do you think Canada would also with it's vanishing lane markings due to salt etc?

Ok you have provided well-reasoned arguments in all of your posts so far, but I must tell you that you couldn't be more wrong about California specifically...filtering and splitting works well there, despite the fact that it is MUCH MUCH easier to get a driving license and people are considerably less competent at driving than in Ontario.

I did the driving test for CA...it's very similar to the G2 test (not the exit test to get your G...the test you take just to get your G2 initially)...actually it's probably even a little easier.

Don't dismiss Ontarians as ****** drivers...there are plenty of reasons why it will probably never be legal to split lanes here, but poor driving ability isn't one of them.
 
Ok you have provided well-reasoned arguments in all of your posts so far, but I must tell you that you couldn't be more wrong about California specifically...filtering and splitting works well there, despite the fact that it is MUCH MUCH easier to get a driving license and people are considerably less competent at driving than in Ontario.

I did the driving test for CA...it's very similar to the G2 test (not the exit test to get your G...the test you take just to get your G2 initially)...actually it's probably even a little easier.

Don't dismiss Ontarians as ****** drivers...there are plenty of reasons why it will probably never be legal to split lanes here, but poor driving ability isn't one of them.

I've driven in California and plenty of other states, in the EU and Central america....Ontarians are crap drivers. I've found that most drivers in the US are reasonably polite, don't speed as much and keep lane discipline way more than drivers here.
 
I've driven in California and plenty of other states, in the EU and Central america....Ontarians are crap drivers. I've found that most drivers in the US are reasonably polite, don't speed as much and keep lane discipline way more than drivers here.

I don't want to disrespect your personal experiences - but I have done much more than "driven" in California...I lived there for years...only moving back to Ontario very recently...I've covered about 80,000km in the US...and I disagree...Ontario drivers in the GTA might be more rude than US drivers and even LA drivers...but they're not less competent.

Also your idea of lane discipline may differ from mine...to me having "lane discipline" would mean keeping right except to pass and changing lanes as much as possible to accomplish this goal...in the middle/west states (AZ, NM, CO, UT, IA) they are better at this than Ontario but anything east of TX and they are worse.

We can just agree to disagree - see you on the backroads this summer
 
Growing up in Quebec, I can confirm that Ontario drivers are a lot more competent and considerate than at least one other place in the world.

Ontario is really big on the "courtesy wave" - in Quebec, you wave to announce that you're about to do something stupid.
 
Growing up in Quebec, I can confirm that Ontario drivers are a lot more competent and considerate than at least one other place in the world.

Ontario is really big on the "courtesy wave" - in Quebec, you wave to announce that you're about to do something stupid.

lol I only drove through QUE once so I'm not really qualified to comment but my impressions as a young Ontaro driver were mostly "omg these people are crazy!"
 
I agree with the one comment, lane splitting or filtering isn't impacting others.. with the idenim IF DONE SAFELY. That is where the argument falls apart. Is a speed differential of 5 km/h safe? 15km/h? 25? 35? 45? 55?. I have seen more than a few instances, of sportbikes, (generally cruisers don't seem to lane split nearly as much) who are going SIGNIFICANTLY faster than the surrounding vehicles.

I think it would be an easier argument if those who were pro lane splitting could convince the few yahoos to slow down and do it safely. BUT as we all know that won't happen. It is unfortunate, but it is a reality that it only takes a few "bad apples" to ruin it for everyone. This isn't limited to sport bikes or motorcycles only I see it with sleds, atv's, watercraft. etc etc etc.

I can assure you if one were to bring lane filtering to Queen's Park to be legalized we would see the anti lane splitting group showing up with youtube videos of idiots lane splitting at 200+ km/h so we as riders are our own worst enemies in trying to get "improvements"

As Rob said bikes are considered "toys" and this too works significantly against us as a group. Someone said if lane splittling were allowed we would see a lot more people jumping onto bikes. With the way insurance works and the short riding season we have I doubt we would see this happen. I cimmute t work on my bike when I can but that is why I have a bike. I have a bike to ride, generally not within the GTA limits, unless I can't avoid it.
 
I don't want to disrespect your personal experiences - but I have done much more than "driven" in California...I lived there for years...only moving back to Ontario very recently...I've covered about 80,000km in the US...and I disagree...Ontario drivers in the GTA might be more rude than US drivers and even LA drivers...but they're not less competent.

Also your idea of lane discipline may differ from mine...to me having "lane discipline" would mean keeping right except to pass and changing lanes as much as possible to accomplish this goal...in the middle/west states (AZ, NM, CO, UT, IA) they are better at this than Ontario but anything east of TX and they are worse.

We can just agree to disagree - see you on the backroads this summer

http://jalopnik.com/no-your-city-doesn-t-have-the-worst-drivers-1686341844
 
I don't want to disrespect your personal experiences - but I have done much more than "driven" in California...I lived there for years...only moving back to Ontario very recently...I've covered about 80,000km in the US...and I disagree...Ontario drivers in the GTA might be more rude than US drivers and even LA drivers...but they're not less competent.

Also your idea of lane discipline may differ from mine...to me having "lane discipline" would mean keeping right except to pass and changing lanes as much as possible to accomplish this goal...in the middle/west states (AZ, NM, CO, UT, IA) they are better at this than Ontario but anything east of TX and they are worse.

We can just agree to disagree - see you on the backroads this summer

I lived in Europe for 20+ years where we have filtering and lane splitting and better driver Ed....except for Italy (odd culture). Ontario still has some of the dumbest/laziest/most dangerous drivers I've ever seen anywhere.
 
I lived in Europe for 20+ years where we have filtering and lane splitting and better driver Ed....except for Italy (odd culture). Ontario still has some of the dumbest/laziest/most dangerous drivers I've ever seen anywhere.

Ahhh, I've only driven in Germany...the drivers there do make Ontarians look silly, but getting your driving license costs E2000, so in a way not so surprising.
 
I've said this before, unless the premier and/or minister for transportation rides; nothing will happen. It wouldn't take much to sponsor a safety-course, gear and their choice of a bike. It would go a long way for them to better understand our perspective.

The previous minister for transport Glen Murray did ride a bicycle to work everyday. He was very pro-cycling, and advocated for that community at Queens Park.

The problem is that most of the general public only remember the riders that are lane splitting at very high speeds. They become even more memorable when they shut down our highways and become an annual statistic.

Motorcycles are barely part of the political conversation; last I heard was Darryl Dahmer flying Kathleen Wynn and jokingly asked whether she'll let motorcycles in the HOV lane, she said no.

More recently was the Sikh helmet case that fell apart not only in Queens Park but also at the Brampton Superior Court.
 
Hi all! Actual Californian here. I've been filtering and splitting Los Angeles traffic for decades. It's perfectly safe. I've yet to experience or even come close to an accident while doing it, nor have I even heard of anyone getting hurt doing it; In 26 years, not one person. I help run a very large riding group and ride with several other groups, so I know a lot of riders; when we discuss it, it's a non-issue danger wise and has actually gotten safer the past two years. Recent research from Berkley confirms that the practice is no more dangerous than anything else on a MC. Mind you, this is normal filtering / lane splitting following CHP guidelines. Crazies excessively speeding while going through cars is reckless driving and thus a different subject.

I've read through the thread and one thing I haven't really heard is that, if legal, filtering / splitting is an OPTION, not a requirement for the rider. I personally feel safer doing it than sitting like a duck in a lane as I do know at least four riders that have been rear-ended. But another rider may not feel comfortable or not have the request skills to filter / split, so they don't do it. Its up to the rider and having choices to ride as is safest for them.

Just my experience, but it would seem to me that all riders should be for it as it's just another option, another tool in your riders box of skills. Even if you never use it normally, don't you, as a rider, want every available option at your disposal to get through traffic as you feel safest? Plus all the side benefits of less traffic, time saved, etc, etc.

Sadly, though, it does tie me to this beautiful state; I could never live any where else in N. America as it is now. I ride everyday and just couldn't not do it someplace else.
 
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I'll take California only for 200 Alex :dontknow:

This debate is never going to end. I wish people felt so passionate about the extortion rates they charge and call insurance in Ontario. Focus your energy there. You're never getting splitting approved here.

http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/index.ssf/2015/04/oregon_motorcycle_lane-splitti.html

Two states now :)

Also I think we could get it approved, we just need to put the right plan into action. It can't be an angry one, and it has to be logical, consistent, and backed by studies, facts and figures. Then it has to be pitched and marketed nicely so that the average non-motorcyclist would look at it and say "well, yeah, it's obvious, why isn't this allowed already?". Until we win over the general public we have no hope.
 
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