Can we call the U.S. a police state now?

Shaman

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I find one of the statements in the article interesting.

Although one man at the Tampa screening said he felt "safer," VIPR operations are not without their naysayers. A VIPR screening at a Des Moines Greyhound station last week is alleged to have targeted Latinos. Another TSA/Border Patrol VIPR screening on a trolley in San Diego resulted in three teens being handcuffed and deported while on their way to school. Around 20 others were also deported, according' to local news
outlets.

Why is anyone concerned about this???

These people are in the Country Illegally, and SHOULD be deported, why is there a sense of outrage over this??
 
I find one of the statements in the article interesting.



Why is anyone concerned about this???

These people are in the Country Illegally, and SHOULD be deported, why is there a sense of outrage over this??

Not all of them....just a lot of them.
 
These people are in the Country Illegally, and SHOULD be deported, why is there a sense of outrage over this??

Because the deported teens were not likely the ones responsible for finding themselves in this situation.
 
Plus the US has a nice healthy hipocrisy going where without cheap illegal immigrant labour much of their cash income in various sectors (agriculture) would vanish.
 
Plus the US has a nice healthy hipocrisy going where without cheap illegal immigrant labour much of their cash income in various sectors (agriculture) would vanish.

There are disagreements between various levels of the government about this issue. Some cities/states have legislation prohibiting the police from asking about the immigration status, or at least policies to that effect, while at the same time the federal government has laws and agencies to enforce the opposite.
 
Deported while on their way to school.
I'd love to see this kind of roundup in South Central LA.

It'd be like trying to deport a guerilla army from it's entrenched positions.
 
I find one of the statements in the article interesting.



Why is anyone concerned about this???

These people are in the Country Illegally, and SHOULD be deported, why is there a sense of outrage over this??

Because I would hate to be a Latino in the US, born and bred, but gets an anal search everytime I go thru customs
 
http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/06/michigan-legislature-considers-banning-tsa-pat-downs/


Michigan legislature considers banning TSA pat-downs

Written by: Michael Maharrey

The Michigan legislature will consider a bill that would make intrusive pat-downs without probable cause at airports and other public facilities a crime.

Rep. Tom McMillin (R- Rochester Hills) introduced House Bill 4772 on June 16. The legislation would make it a misdemeanor to “intentionally touch the clothed or unclothed breast, genitalia, buttocks, or anus of that other individual except upon reasonable cause to believe that the individual may be concealing an item that is prohibited on that public property or on that mode of public transportation.”

Anyone convicted under the law would face a $500 fine and /or 93 days in jail.

McMillin modeled the bill on similar legislation proposed by Texas Rep. David Simpson. The Texas House unanimously passed HB 1937 in May, and the bill was on track to pass the Senate when a letter from U.S. Attorney John E. Murphy threatening to shut down air travel in the Lone Star State scared Texas Senators into backing down.

But Texas will try again. On June 20, Texas Gov. Rick Perry added the Texas TSA legislation to a special legislative session.

McMillin says an incident at the Detroit Metropolitan Airport motivated him to propose legislation that would effectively end intrusive TSA pat-downs in Michigan without probable cause. Earlier this month, agents at the airport singled out a 29-year-old man with special needs for extra security screening. Dr. David Mandy says his son has the mental capacity of a 2-year-old. But TSA agents insisted on patting Drew Mandy down, confiscating a toy hammer he carries with him.

“My son carries his ball and his hammer for security. He goes everywhere with (them),” Mandy told WJBK FOX 2 in Detroit. “He took the hammer and he tapped the wall. ‘See, it’s hard. It could be used as a weapon.’ So, Drew’s also holding the ball, and I said, ‘Well, how about the ball?’ He (said), ‘Oh, he can keep that.’”

Agents gave Dr. Mandy the option of shipping the hammer home, but he said there was not enough time before their flight, so he threw it away.

“It just killed me to have to throw it away because he’s been carrying this like for 20 years,” Mandy said.

Mandy’s mother cleared through the checkpoint with an identical hammer in her backpack.

McMillin said it was time to take a stand for the citizens of Michigan.

“While there should be effective searches at security checkpoints, it should not mean passengers are harassed. States need to stand up for the rights of their citizens. This bill does that.”

A number of high profile incidents have shed light on the intrusiveness of the Fourth Amendment violating TSA pat-down procedures. Former Miss USA Susie Castillo made a tearful video after she was groped at a checkpoint at the Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport. A man captured a photo of an infant undergoing a search in Kansas City. And a pat-down in New Orleans left a 6-year-old girl in tears.

Michigan joins Utah and Texas in seeking to ban the intrusive searches. Sources close to the Tenth Amendment Center indicate at least eight other states will likely propose similar legislation in the coming months.

For more information on TSA nullification bills and to track pending legislation, click here.
 
I find one of the statements in the article interesting.


Why is anyone concerned about this???

These people are in the Country Illegally, and SHOULD be deported, why is there a sense of outrage over this??

Ever talk to anyone whos been thru it about their deportation process? Its seriously ****ed up....
 
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/tsa-swarms-8000-bus-stations-public-transit-systems-yearly

It would seem to me that if any type of travel is now a target for paper checks and inspection, surely the country has gone straight down the slippery slope and has become the thing they've fought world wars against. I am appalled, and more than a little concerned both for myself and my U.S. friends.

The only question I can formulate is: are they too fat and happy to revolt?

They had paper checks and inspections during the wars. They had internment camps too.

They've had to change things lately because of some "friends" across the pond who don't like the kind of freedom they have. It sounds like you're complaining for the sake of complaining to me.
 
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They've had to change things lately because of some "friends" across the pond who don't like the kind of freedom they have. It sounds like you're complaining for the sake of complaining to me.

And it sounds to me like you're a sycophant that likes the sound of his own voice.
 
During the cold war, one of the selling points for choosing the "American Way" over "Mother Russia" was the freedom to travel across the country without being harassed by the police. Another one was the freedom from routine surveillance and wiretaps. Freedom of speech used to be there as well.

It's curious how those selling points seem to be disappearing one by one after the Cold War ended :cool:
 
why would that matter though? they are still there illegally.

Because being unlawfully present in a country does not make anyone any less than a human.
 
They've had to change things lately because of some "friends" across the pond who don't like the kind of freedom they have.

That's what Fox News says.. Gotta be true.
 
And it sounds to me like you're a sycophant that likes the sound of his own voice.

For all your name calling, you sound a little confused about the facts. Am I typing or speaking? Are you with all the conspiracy theorists who believe that the U.S. blew up its own building and killed its own people so that it could tighten security?

The terrorist attacks will be the excuse that they will use. Simple as that.

You seem to be taking this personally, which is never a good thing.
 
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I find one of the statements in the article interesting.



Why is anyone concerned about this???

These people are in the Country Illegally, and SHOULD be deported, why is there a sense of outrage over this??

We are concerned because the TSA has NOTHING to do with illegal immigration; that is the job of USCIS. A TSA agent is just a clerk with a uniform - they have no more powers than any other citizen/resident of the U.S. They were created to keep transportation safe, what does someone who is undocumented in country have to do with safety? If they pass the screening to board a plane, they should be good to go.

As for the thread topic - I agree 100%. It is amazing how many in the U.S. tout the "anything for safety" line while giving up their rights and freedoms at every turn. It has become a police state. Travel is such a nightmare that for trips up to 1,000 miles, I drive. For trips over 1,000 miles it has to be damn important because otherwise I am not getting on a plane. This from a guy who routinely flew 50K a year, mostly personal, because I love to travel.
 

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