Can any auto shop do a bike safety?

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My VTX came certified, my wifes bike, not so much, but I'm looking at getting it done shortly once I get the brakes and rubber done.

Last time I had a bike certified would have been around 1991 and if I recall correctly only a bike shop could certify bikes. Today I was told it doesn't matter, although they recommend taking a bike to a bike shop as they know better what to look at....but can any shop that's licenced for certifications certify motorcycles?

Reason I ask is that all the local bike shops will require a trailer. On the flipside, there's an auto shop within walking distance from my house...and within motorcycle-pushing-distance as well, there and back. ;)

Would save me some time and effort renting a trailer if I could just walk the bike down my street, around the corner, down the sidewalk (about 100 feet) and into the shops parking lot and have it done there, and then reverse the process to get it back home.

Have to check the legality of pushing the bike (not even sitting on it, no keys in the ignition) when it comes to no insurance & no plates - guess that's still a grey area? If I'm going to end up at risk of a no insurance/no plate ticket for walking the bike down a street, well, I'll trailer it, but that's unclear.

Main question is the safety related issue, but if anyone has any insight on the secondary question, that'd be appreciated too. I'll message a cop friend of mine and pick his brain in the meantime.
 
Aforementioned police friend just answered the insurance question, the HTA specifically states "operates motor vehicle without plates/insurance", so walking the motorcycle is not "operating" so long as I'm not seated on it.
 
yes, but doesn't mean any shop will do it, many will claim they can't,

rosey toes has been known to do house calls
 
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Call the autoshop and ask them

If they can't do it then call Ted at Rosey Toes

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Generally yes, most can, but call them and ask. They will likely only check basic things like lights and horn though
 
abkdt41 said:
If they can't do it then call Ted at Rosey Toes
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Doubt he'd come out this far. ;)

phil_si said:
Generally yes, most can, but call them and ask. They will likely only check basic things like lights and horn though
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Fair enough, it's getting new rubber and brakes beforehand anyways, fork seals are good, everything else works and is solid...not much else to check really. ;)

I'll pop by this morning and chat with the boss. It's a small place.
 
can't you get a temp plate for the bike if it was 'FIT' before you bought it? Then you can take it wherever you want within the 10 day time period.
 
I had a bike safetied at a Firestone, I've heard of plenty of people getting it done at Canadian Tire, but it depends on the location, some will, some won't.
 
mikbusa said:
I had a bike safetied at a Firestone, I've heard of plenty of people getting it done at Canadian Tire, but it depends on the location, some will, some won't.
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It used to be the mechanic had to have an full M. Might have changed since.
 
GVH said:
It used to be the mechanic had to have an full M. Might have changed since.
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Funny you mentioned that, I did indeed walk down to the shop this morning and spoke to the mechanic – he said that he is unable to do them because he does not have his M license and therefore can't test drive the bike, which apparently (he says?) is part of the certification.

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PrivatePilot said:
Funny you mentioned that, I did indeed walk down to the shop this morning and spoke to the mechanic – he said that he is unable to do them because he does not have his M license and therefore can't test drive the bike, which apparently (he says?) is part of the certification.

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I've had a few safeties done...no test rides.
 
Test driving the bike is part of certification if I remember right. That's beside the point though. To license a motorcycle, you need a 310G class license, auto techs are required to have only a 310S, some may also have a 310T (truck and coach). Any 310S tech that signs a safety for a bike is risking his license.
 
kellen said:
I've had a few safeties done...no test rides.
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Most don't, doesn't mean they shouldn't

From https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/900611#BK11

(7) With the service brakes properly adjusted, the service brake system shall be tested by stopping the motorcycle on a substantially level, dry, smooth, paved surface free from loose material and, from a rate of speed of not less than 30 kilometres per hour, with heavy pedal or, where applicable, heavy pedal and lever control force,

(a) the motorcycle shall come to a complete stop within seven metres;

(b) no component shall fail; and

(c) each wheel brake shall release immediately after the control force is removed.
 
^^ Interesting and informative, thanks. So it appears that a proper motorcycle safety does indeed have to include a test ride.

I guess all those stories online about people who say a bike will safety without the engine even running (or a few times I've heard, even without an engine) "so long as the safety stuff is all good and lights etc work" is bunk in the end.
 
I trailered a bike to a car shop for a safety once. Mechanic told me to sit on it, start it up, turn on all the lights and honk the horn. Chatted about how he used to ride back in the day and handed me the paper. They're all different. The old timer mechanic license can write motorcycle safeties. New 310S can't.
 
regder said:
Test driving the bike is part of certification if I remember right. That's beside the point though. To license a motorcycle, you need a 310G class license, auto techs are required to have only a 310S, some may also have a 310T (truck and coach). Any 310S tech that signs a safety for a bike is risking his license.
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Yes, 310G is required and they have begun to educate the ministry offices about this.

phil_si said:
I trailered a bike to a car shop for a safety once. Mechanic told me to sit on it, start it up, turn on all the lights and honk the horn. Chatted about how he used to ride back in the day and handed me the paper. They're all different. The old timer mechanic license can write motorcycle safeties. New 310S can't.
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The "old style" licenses can no longer sign motorcycle safeties, but ministry offices aren't being that dilligent when it comes to reading the papers. It is changing.

More importantly, this year the safety procedures are going through a complete overhaul, for all automotive trades. The procedures are much more involved and there will be an increase in costs to consumers based on how many measurements the new regulations will require. We (shops) do not have all the details yet but I (among others) will try to proactively let you (the GTAM community) know what is happening so you won't be shocked if the cost safety increases dramatically.

http://www.680news.com/2016/01/18/selling-used-cars-get-lot-tougher-new-inspection-standards/

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/motor-vehicle-inspection-stations.shtml

I have not seen a motorcycle specific document yet, but I am sure they will have on in the coming months before the new regulations come into effect.
 
Just for the record, it has been clarified that none of these changes to the certification standards apply to motorcycles, passenger vehicles only.
 
PrivatePilot said:
^^ Interesting and informative, thanks. So it appears that a proper motorcycle safety does indeed have to include a test ride.

I guess all those stories online about people who say a bike will safety without the engine even running (or a few times I've heard, even without an engine) "so long as the safety stuff is all good and lights etc work" is bunk in the end.
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Not necessarily....have the bike with no engine roll downhill at a speed of no less than 30km to a flat patch of pavement and then stop within 7 metres. No engine required. ?

Did you find another place for the safety?

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PrivatePilot said:
Just for the record, it has been clarified that none of these changes to the certification standards apply to motorcycles, passenger vehicles only.
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Those specific links yes. We have been told, our changes are coming into effect at the same time, but they haven't released the motorcycle specific standards yet.

yodude said:
when did this 310g start?
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More than 15 years ago... not sure of the exact date.
 
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