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Bylaw green ticket !!!!!! Need help !!!
- Thread starter TIBURON
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if you're worried about demerit points, i would suggest scheduling a first attendance meeting with the prosecutor and request for an alternate by-law offense like (Disobey Municipal Sign) that doesn't carry demerit points
however you are going to have to do research to find this particular charge; i would suggest calling the city, and get someone to give you the relevant by-laws pertaining to signs at that intersection; during my first attendance i tried to get my HTA 144 (9) charge reduced to a by-law offense, and the prosecutor (Old City Hall) told me he doesn't know any by-law offenses and that i should have brought a photocopy or e-print out of the by-law offense
from your experience, you've atleast deduced that not many people (from police to traffic ticket clerks) understand the consequences of by-law tickets associated with prohibited turns
it's spelled out quite clearly in the HTA, don't be surprised if you get a new drivers license with two red/white polka dots
however you are going to have to do research to find this particular charge; i would suggest calling the city, and get someone to give you the relevant by-laws pertaining to signs at that intersection; during my first attendance i tried to get my HTA 144 (9) charge reduced to a by-law offense, and the prosecutor (Old City Hall) told me he doesn't know any by-law offenses and that i should have brought a photocopy or e-print out of the by-law offense
from your experience, you've atleast deduced that not many people (from police to traffic ticket clerks) understand the consequences of by-law tickets associated with prohibited turns
it's spelled out quite clearly in the HTA, don't be surprised if you get a new drivers license with two red/white polka dots
It is spelt out clearly, but not the way you think.
Section 143 and subsection 144 (9) of the Highway Traffic Act and any municipal by-law prohibiting turns
This means you CAN get an HTA ticket for breaking a municipal bylaw. Does not mean you WILL get one. The cop gave the OP the bylaw version of the ticket. He could have given the HTA version, and the OP would lose points. The above quote simply means the bylaw is covered by the HTA, and that if you get that charge, you will get the HTA punishment. If it was an OPP officer, most likely will always get HTA ticket, and just about never the bylaw version (and yes, OPP can ticket anywhere in Ontario).
how can you misinterpret that chart? it says 2 demerit points for Section 143 and subsection 144 (9) of the Highway Traffic Act and any municipal by-law prohibiting turns
the HTA punishment uses municipal by-laws all the time, especially with posted signs: municipal speed limits, no parking, stop signs... etc
Yes, officers can give you the disobey by-law sign for going +50kph in a 40kph zone; but they'd rather give you the s172 or s128 or s130
Not every town and municipality in the province of Ontario have their own Police; OPP cover all of Ontario, so individual towns and cities up North are policed by the OPP and they have their own By-Laws! So yes OPP would issue relevant by-law tickets for them as well.
There is a huge disconnect here with people masquerading as police 'stay at home wives'.. and pretend to know the 'inside' scoop
the HTA punishment uses municipal by-laws all the time, especially with posted signs: municipal speed limits, no parking, stop signs... etc
Yes, officers can give you the disobey by-law sign for going +50kph in a 40kph zone; but they'd rather give you the s172 or s128 or s130
Not every town and municipality in the province of Ontario have their own Police; OPP cover all of Ontario, so individual towns and cities up North are policed by the OPP and they have their own By-Laws! So yes OPP would issue relevant by-law tickets for them as well.
There is a huge disconnect here with people masquerading as police 'stay at home wives'.. and pretend to know the 'inside' scoop
Not sure why you cannot understand this. You have to be convicted of the HTA offence in order to get the demerit points.
It is actually quite simple, show me where the bylaw offence states the penalty on conviction of the bylaw offence will include demerit points. The HTA offence carries the penalties as laid out in the HTA. The bylaw offence carries the penalties as laid out in the bylaw. The bylaw offence does not say "see HTA for penalties".
All we have to do here is just wait for the OP to plead guilty to the bylaw offence, pay the fine, then wait a month or so, and have him check for demerit points on his license. At that time we will all know that your last line in your post was actually referring to yourself.
you must be trolling
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link to paralegal's website: http://www.ottlegal.com/en/tickets/traffic-tickets/turning-violations/index.html
Every disobey turn traffic ticket has 2 demerit points attached to it, including bylaw turn tickets, regardless of what the police officer may have told you!
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Surely this can be discussed without tossing insults? I advise you not to skate any closer to the edge.
markopas
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It would've helped if you shared the information on the ticket with everyone.
GayManLoveIsOK
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you have me confused, there is no sign that says you can't turn right on a red, there are two signs however that say you can't turn right between 4-6pm mon-fri. i assume you performed this act within the times that the sign tells you not to do so? and are you sure you were travelling east making that turn at that intersection or was it another?
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