Bye bye HTA172....

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Bye bye HTA 172 :D
Hello "Grands Excès de Vitesse" :(

My friend tells me there are a lot of programs in effect to catch speeders right now in the Montréal area.

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Amazing how the moan and complain about labels, instructions/whatever not having french when outside of Quebec.. now here's a government document in French only... and you have to make a special request for the english version...
Sick to death of the double standards....
 
Bigevildoer said:
Amazing how the moan and complain about labels, instructions/whatever not having french when outside of Quebec.. now here's a government document in French only... and you have to make a special request for the english version...
Sick to death of the double standards....
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Go to the SAAQ home page, look at the top right and you'll see a link that says "ENGLISH". Click on that link and you've made your "special request".

Excessive speeding and roadside suspension -> http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/driver_licence/suspension_excessive_speeding.php
Immediate vehicle tow and impounds -> http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/driver_licence/sanction/vehicle_seizure.php

Excessive speeding page from SAAQ - http://evenworse.ca/

Tougher demerit point penalties and even tough graduated licensing restrictions -> http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/driver_licence/access_driving/demerit_points.php

Some of their fines went up in March. Car surfing used to be $30 to $60 and is now $1000 to $3000. Both reckless driving and street racing used to be $300 to $600, now it's $1000 to $3000.

And some of you thought it was just Ontario. Ontario's been joined by several provinces in adopting tough and in some provinces even tougher penalties for excessively aggressive driving and speeding.
 
Personally I'll only be happy when we've been confined to wheel chairs pulled by turtles. Only then will I feel safe stepping outside.
 
Just curious.

If you are stopped for 50+ in quebec (or elsewhere where there is some form of recognition agreements) will HTA172 still be enforced against you here in Ontario at some future point?
 
I ride a lot in Quebec....I'm super extra careful there about speed. One good thing though, the Quebec drivers are pretty good at relaying cop positions by flashing their lights. Way more "watch out for speed" signs cropping up in Quebec now too.
 
greg88 said:
Just curious.

If you are stopped for 50+ in quebec (or elsewhere where there is some form of recognition agreements) will HTA172 still be enforced against you here in Ontario at some future point?
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No because it was not commited on Ontario soil, nothing they can do.
before all these stunting laws, i got a 153km/h in a 100km/h zone in Quebec and it showed on my abstract as "Out of Province".
Your insurance company doesnt care what province your ticket happened in though, so always drive carefully and avoid tickets if you can!


Yes its true that getting your motorcycle license in Québec is way more complicated than in Ontario. I do not envy the new licensing system here at all.
Im glad i am full G and to get my full M i will just take the M2X course and thats it im done.
 
jc100 said:
I ride a lot in Quebec....I'm super extra careful there about speed. One good thing though, the Quebec drivers are pretty good at relaying cop positions by flashing their lights. Way more "watch out for speed" signs cropping up in Quebec now too.
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Also, secondary roads in a good many areas in Quebec have 90 km/h speed limits instead of 80. The comfort-zone speed for most drivers on roads like that is usually around 100 regardless of posted limit, but with a 90 speed limit it's not enough above the speed limit for most cops to bother with it.
 
Brian P said:
Also, secondary roads in a good many areas in Quebec have 90 km/h speed limits instead of 80. The comfort-zone speed for most drivers on roads like that is usually around 100 regardless of posted limit, but with a 90 speed limit it's not enough above the speed limit for most cops to bother with it.
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Yep I noticed that too, 90 mostly everywhere with 70's near city centres. Shame that a good many secondary roads in Quebec are miserable with potholes though otherwise they'd be very entertaining even at listed speeds. One thing I noticed with many curves in Quebec on some good secondary roads is that they really don't bother with putting in much safety leeway as in Ontario. Ie..if you see the "caution curve" markings...they mostly really do mean watch out.
 
Wait, car surfing? Like ... ghost riding? They had to make a law for that?
 
Well at least they don't steal your vehicle like they do here on first offense.
 
Zozep said:
Well at least they don't steal your vehicle like they do here on first offense.
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Maybe not for a first excessive speeding offence, but they do for a number of other first offences.

Be careful what you wish for.

For excessive speeding, they make up for that first-time pass by imposing a 30-day impound the second time around instead of Ontario's much shorter 7-day time-out. They also make up for it by starting roadside vehicle impound and license suspensions for as little as 40 kmph over the limit.

They further make up for that first-time pass on vehicle impound by imposing an automatic 7 day license suspension on first offence, to be followed by 30-day and then 60-day automatic roadside license suspensions if the first time-out doesn't sink into your consciousness.
 
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