Blown fork seal?

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So while taking the garbage out tonight I decided to give the old girl a once over, and noticed oil all over my left caliper. Right one is still dry.

the pictures my phone took were too large to upload here, so I've posted them on imgur

Left side: http://imgur.com/ajzYmYe
Right side: http://imgur.com/cmiQ6DW

My question is, did I blow a fork seal? And if so, what are the costs involved to fix the issue? I'm not super handy with a wrench yet but learning, and I have a friend who is quite handy and I'm sure will help out with the repair
 
What I posted in another thread;


I just did the same job on my WR450F (SM)

Disassembly
http://youtu.be/Y43k1qFVGW4

I hung the disassembled forks upside down and let them drain into a drain pan over night.

Filling, bleeding, and measuring the fork oil
http://youtu.be/glG3gUjxjEU

Assembly
http://youtu.be/C9ICr-DOmdk

You don't need special tools;
- use a plastic baggie (or I saw one suggestion to use a condom) instead of the fork bullet to get the seals on
- mark off a section of clear tubing (fuel line from Canadian Tire) to the proper depth and suck excess oil out

AND BUY THE MANUAL!
 
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that is quite a bit of fork oil, surprised you hadn't noticed it before. Either way, if its made it to your caliper, make sure it hasn't made it to your pads. I know isopropyl alcohol ($2 at shoppers) works well for cleaning up brake fluid, but I am not sure if it works for cleaning up fork oil. If it's made it to the pads, they may have soaked in oil, which means they will need to be changed. One thing to check before you go through the fork seal changing process, is to make sure the tube itself is not pitted or scratched. Given the significant amount of oil leaking, it is possible. If the tubes are scrached/pitted, no matter what you do it will always leak, a seal replacement will not stop it. Typically this is not the case though. Sometimes it can just be dirt, some old 35mm film or tools available online to run under the fork seal may help. I have never had any luck with them, and don't like the possability of pitting the fork tube, since you don't know what you might be pushing out.

If it is your fork seal, have a read online about opinions for your model. I tried aftermarket seals, only to re-do the job using pricey honda OEM seals, but they work well. The labour/effort is much greater than the cost of the seals. Depending on how technical you are, and if you have the service manual, a fork rebuild is on the (IMO) 7/10 skill level to do it correctly, bleeding the air properly from the tubes, getting creative to make tools to unload the forks, actually determining which way the seal goes, setting lock nuts and rebound adjustor ranges. Having someone around that has done it before is a very good idea. Just a hint, start unscrewing the fork caps before you take the forks off the bike, once they are off, the forks are round and spin, it is difficult to get grip on them without damaging the fork. A vice (used gently!) is very handy later in the process. For me, truck straps and some fabricated S clips to pull the collars down and load the spring to get the tube apart works nicely. Not as bad as it sounds, but it does take patience. Shops usually charge pretty good for this type of work, a solid service manual and some creativity can go a long way. If you do change the fork seals, remove, clean (sunlight + hot water), dry, and rebuild both forks if you haven't done it in a while or do not know when it was done last. One fork refreshed and one fork with old gunky oil means the suspension may not work optimally.
 
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Your right side looks like a blown fork seal, but your left looks like the fork bottom may possibly be loosening from the inner tube, and leaking from there. Make sure you address that as it can lead to the fork leg snapping
 
I didn't think there was anything wrong with the right side :confused: guess I'll have to take a closer look at it. And reading this I think it might be out of my league. Is there any reputable shop in the Niagara area that I should look at taking the forks to should I choose not to do them myself?
 
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I don't see anything on the right side either...

I didn't think there was anything wrong with the right side :confused: guess I'll have to take a closer look at it. And reading this I think it might be out of my league. Is there any reputable shop in the Niagara area that I should look at taking the forks to should I choose not to do them myself?
 
Yes, your seals are leaking. You will need a rebuild. Use OEM seals - they'r way better than the all balls stuff.
 
you'd be surprised what you can do, depending on how motivated you are. Once you get pricing from a shop, you may revisit the option. It is really about experience and everyone starts somewhere. Worst case (assuming you don't scratch your tubes, so be careful) is it still doesn't work, in which case take it to a shop. You'll be out a bit of time and maybe a bottle of fork oil. A good service manual will tell you exactly what you need to do.

I didn't think there was anything wrong with the right side :confused: guess I'll have to take a closer look at it. And reading this I think it might be out of my league. Is there any reputable shop in the Niagara area that I should look at taking the forks to should I choose not to do them myself?
 
If you can't DIY, at least figure out how to get the fork tube off the bike and into a shop. Cost me $90.00 to replace blown fork seals at a dealerhip and they were impressed that I just brought in the fork tube!
 
If you can't DIY, at least figure out how to get the fork tube off the bike and into a shop. Cost me $90.00 to replace blown fork seals at a dealerhip and they were impressed that I just brought in the fork tube!


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Same goes with anything else you need done on the bike. (replacing tires for example). Bike shops will charge the cost for the labour to remove said items.

Go over a manual and see if it is something you'd want to work on over a weekend with a friend.
 
If you can't DIY, at least figure out how to get the fork tube off the bike and into a shop. Cost me $90.00 to replace blown fork seals at a dealerhip and they were impressed that I just brought in the fork tube!

Was that 90$ for the pair, or per tube? I'm asking because I am the friend he is making reference to in the original post. I have never done forks myself yet, although I am not too bad with a wrench for most things and I learn pretty quick. I just did a bunch of work on my bike in the living room over the past couple weeks.
When I look at videos and how-to's about taking the tubes apart, I just get a little nervous because it seems like the science has to be exact, and you have to be extremely careful. I'd hate to scratch my own tubes, nevermind a friend's who just got his first bike a few months ago.
If it'll be 90-120$ to have both of them done by someone in the industry who (hopefully) knows what they're doing, it may be worth it. I can definitely help him take the tubes off the bike though, that part should be easy.

I know for a fact he has a paper copy of the OEM Service Manual (not the Haynes one) and they are also readily available online for our bikes.

Thanks for everyone's input so far!
 
Whether the right's leaking or not, I wouldn't think of doing just one side. Do the 1st side, take your time, the 2nd one will get done in half the time as you now know what you're doing.
 
I consider myself pretty handy with a wrench but forks/shocks/tire changes get sent to the pros. That price should be for both and it sounds like you can take the forks off without any issues.
 
+1, do both seals if your worried, but at least refresh the oil in both forks, since forks function as a pair. I highly suggest taking the time to do this job correctly by completely dismantling, cleaning and drying each component. A shop will charge a fortune to do the job correctly, it is time consuming. For $90, I have extreme doubt that this service will not be done correctly to the degree it should, for one fork, let alone 2. This would also be a good time to have the correct springs put in ( if needed ).

Whether the right's leaking or not, I wouldn't think of doing just one side. Do the 1st side, take your time, the 2nd one will get done in half the time as you now know what you're doing.
 
Thanks for all the quick responses guys, I really appreciate it. I do plan on taking the forks off myself, from there whether or not I take them into a shop after that to have the seals replaced, or do them myself is what I'll have to decide. It will really depend on price, and how difficult it is to do, and what I'm going to need to pickup to do the job properly if I were to DIY

I also planned on doing both the left and the right at the same time, I just didn't know both were leaking. Learning new stuff every day!
 
I olny needed one replaced. An hour of shop time plus the seals, which are cheap.

I was quoted over $350.00 for the pair if I brought the whole bike in at more than one shop.
 
I olny needed one replaced. An hour of shop time plus the seals, which are cheap.

I was quoted over $350.00 for the pair if I brought the whole bike in at more than one shop.

Your far but I would do it for much much cheaper then that, but I am in Mississauga. And that would be for both forks not just one, and I highly suggest you do both

For one usually the 2nd will leak very soon after the first one, so you might only change one to have the other go very soon after

And 2 just to get the old oil out of the other one and have fresh matching oil in both...If you bought the bike new and it was never changed your oil will be black! And watery.... And if someone else already did the fork seals or oil once before you have no idea what oil weight or brand they used...So again I would do both, OEM seals are only $10-20 each and a 1L bottle of oil normally covers both for $15-20.....
 
I got a quote from Clare's cycle here in the Niagara area, they said 60 for the seals and 75 labour total for both forks. From what others are saying that seems really low for labour. I'm going to confirm with them again once I get the forks off the bike (should be either tomorrow or Wednesday). If they change their prices I'll have to look at other alternatives
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