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blackberry 10
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What about it's potential as a specialised niche manufacturer of portable electronics? The US Army loves them, as do many companies with tight reigns on security. There may not be the same money in it as there is in the consumer market but there'd be plenty of demand to sustain RIM in that field.
Whats happening now, security software firms are creating packages to install on other phones.
Android seems to be a good choice as the source code is open and therefore can be worked on by those 3rd-party firms (unlike apple whose iOS isnt entirely open)
If BB10 doesnt work out, thats another thing RIM could look at...selling security components.
killerkeith
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RIM make excellent products, and like Luc says, if you use your phone for business purposes I can't see using anything else. I've had a BB going on 6 years and have loved each phone. Email on a touch screen is ****ing useless and that type slide app that's suppose to make typing on a screen easier makes you look like your having a small seizure.
I'll be getting the BB10 once the QWERTY version is released. I got to have my keyboard.
I'll be getting the BB10 once the QWERTY version is released. I got to have my keyboard.
Gotta say, i was thinking the EXACT same thing up until Jan 2012.
I probably type as fast if not faster than you with my touchscreen now (and word prediction works awesome)
I miss the ability to type without needing to look at my phone though
killerkeith
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I like my keyboard and Steve Jobs can't tell me otherwise. If you're screen is damaged, you're screwed. The Torch gives me either option.
toshison
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While I think some of your criticism is just, 2 billion dollars is not meaningless by any means. And I think the stock would actually pop on rumours that they are selling parts of the company. One of their activist shareholders has been pushing for them to exit the hardware/handset business and instead focus on the services business. If RIM did that there would be less risk of bleeding because they could stop losing money in the hardware business which is increasingly difficult to be profitable in, even Apple is going to be forced to lower their margins.
Nobody really knows the true value of the patent portfolio as the only way to really know is to put them up on the auction block but with all the litigation going on with patent trolling firms - including the Rockstar consortium that RIM is a part, patents are proving to be worth quite a bit. RIM probably has some old garbage patents but they probably have some really good ones too. They just need to step up trolling and licensing so they can fully monetize them. RIM, even with their current somewhat outdated OS is still the best in the business for mobile security, encryption and bandwidth efficiency. Those aren't glamorous to the average joe consumer but they seem to matter to government departments and businesses. Bandwidth efficiency is also very important in the developing world RIM is trying to win over where infrastructure is not as sophisticated as it is in North America. So, there is value. Has RIM misstepped? Totally and its not hard to say " you blew it!" to them and those silly co-ceo's they use to have but there is still a marginal chance they can reverse their current fate.
Im on android though so i hate steve jobs as much as you might for that matter
lolOh yeah i agree with you, screen damage sucks. Buddy had a broken screen on his HTC Desire Z...kept working for the longest time, depends how deep the damage goes!
I was looking at the torch but after having 2 buddies of mine and 3 coworkers telling me their stories with their brand new 3-month-old torches bugging, slowing down after updates, etc etc, i decided to make a big leap of faith to Android.
I just hope RIM gets it right for BB10, sucks that previous models won't get "support" for it but i guess they dont want to have old crap-hardware to run their new shiny OS
invictus43
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I thought it was interesting..read an article recently that said iPhone revenue was greater than all of Microsoft's revenue last year. How does RIM compete with that? I understand there's a subscriber base..we have probably 500 corporate phones..I could see that disappearing in a week..already we have many people using their personal iPhones with our corporate mail. And many companies are converting their mail to Google mail..which obviously plays into their own phones. I love my BB..the keyboard, to me, is awesome..and to KillerKeith apparently too. The phone is ok otherwise..but there are fewer and fewer developers building apps for it.
Anyway, back to the stock price, I really don't know..but I'd be reading up on what the relative share prices should be based on the different scenarios going forward and trying to place a bet on which will happen.
Anyway, back to the stock price, I really don't know..but I'd be reading up on what the relative share prices should be based on the different scenarios going forward and trying to place a bet on which will happen.
bboySushi
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The blackberry keyboard and form factor are the only things they got right. But they sure got it right, i can't live without the QWERTY on it.
I must say, OS is sh*t, the browser is completely laughable...can't open 80% of the sites and just lags and closes with the spinning clock of doom. Hopefully BB10 solves that. It's such a slow phone.
I love the look, the size, and the keyboard and thats about it. But it's enough to keep me vested.
I must say, OS is sh*t, the browser is completely laughable...can't open 80% of the sites and just lags and closes with the spinning clock of doom. Hopefully BB10 solves that. It's such a slow phone.
I love the look, the size, and the keyboard and thats about it. But it's enough to keep me vested.
As someone who was an avid Blackberry user for many many years in a professional setting, I have only one thing to say: the quality and longevity of RIM products *SUCKS*
The quality of RIM's software *SUCKS*
The speed of their software *SUCKS*
Every single person I know who still uses a Blackberry has continually had problems with their handsets. Features stop working, buttons stop working, and the OS goes wonky and requires reboots (which are PAINFULLY slow) way too often. The devices are garbage. RIM hasn't been able to make a single quality product for the last 5+ years. This is why they're going out of business. They had a good thing going with their older stuff... it was innovative, truly one of a kind. I enjoyed my first few Blackberries immensely. They were also far more reliable.
People who still use their products are simply afraid to switch. Its a shame that RIM could never get their quality control up to par. If their products were actually reliable and able to last more than 8 months, they wouldn't have lost all their market share in such a shameful way.
The quality of RIM's software *SUCKS*
The speed of their software *SUCKS*
Every single person I know who still uses a Blackberry has continually had problems with their handsets. Features stop working, buttons stop working, and the OS goes wonky and requires reboots (which are PAINFULLY slow) way too often. The devices are garbage. RIM hasn't been able to make a single quality product for the last 5+ years. This is why they're going out of business. They had a good thing going with their older stuff... it was innovative, truly one of a kind. I enjoyed my first few Blackberries immensely. They were also far more reliable.
People who still use their products are simply afraid to switch. Its a shame that RIM could never get their quality control up to par. If their products were actually reliable and able to last more than 8 months, they wouldn't have lost all their market share in such a shameful way.
awyala
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RIM will be a shadow of its former self. They have struggled for 2 years to make an existing software they purchased compatable! That hardly instills confidence they will be able to adapt and stay ahead of the rapidly chasing Google and Apple security encryptions.
If my client base wasn't entirely government employess, my company would have already allowed me to opt for the iPhone, as even the banking private sector has lost allegience to RIMs encryptions. Already the Australian government and Qantas dropped RIM this summer.
In terms of data management, developing world indrustructure actually develops much faster than 1st world. They tend to skip all the intermediate steps of development and roll out full scale latest tech infrastructure once funding is available. That's why even Nokia's symbian technology is faltering in the developing word. The developing world immitates, copies, and aspires. They want the latest coolest thing in the West and will infringe on copyrights and patents to catch up. RIM's protectionism wont go down well in a developing country. Additionally developing countries aren't keen on encryption...UAE for example had control issues with RIM's encryption bypassing their authority and ability to spy on citizens. Developing countries are notoriously corrupt, and developing in societal and governmental ways in addition to infrastructure and logistics. Nokia and RIM are old hat and do not present a future. Until they do that, they are done.
As some posters have commented, they may live on as a niche mobile software developer, but that will not be the RIM you have come to know, and it will most likely take on a different name to shed its past baggage; probably some new low key name to stay under everyone's radar as they become a US Government VOR with exclussivity restrictions. I doubt they will be able to be led by an investment board if that is the case.
I see them being chopped up, changing tac and becoming a private government contractor, basically to get away from and be protected from competition. They have already proven they cannot adapt and innovate fast enough. A Government contract will protect them from competitors and innovation will come through direct requests for added security as they are encountered. RIM has proven to do a terrible job of gauging what its customers need or want, so a US government contract that dictates requirements could be a good out for them.
"They are after all (as an employee once told me) engineers who don't know how to market"
killerkeith
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But you're a professional internet troll...come on, how many people could you really know in real life?
Aren't you that guy who works for RIM or something? I remember when I was saying that RIM is tanking you were hugely in denial.... how's RIM doing nowadays? :lol:
Everything I said is fact. If you disagree, you're just a deluded fanboy.
killerkeith
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Of course I'm a fan. I live in K-W, and my livelyhood is phone applications...duh!
It's pretty clear buying stock on bb10 is a pure gamble. But what if bb10 does make a comeback, and their shares do sell off @ 30-40/pop. It would be a sick bet.. perhaps the most I would lose in one shot gambling. but it almost worth it the gamble. the bragging rights to people I've discussed this with who talk nothing about smack on bb in discussions on the new 10 - how rim will crash and burn. At the rate right now, I could afford 2000/shares.
I'd buy gold but too expensive for my budget atm.
Any investors here thinking of rolling the dice on this one?
Hmmm.
I'd buy gold but too expensive for my budget atm.
Any investors here thinking of rolling the dice on this one?
Hmmm.
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toshison
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I think you are mixing it all up here. We're talking mobile/wireless infrastructure and in that realm they are not faster than the 1st world. They are incredibly slow in comparison. I get your point that they might skip intermediate steps and can take bigger leaps to catch up but they are still playing catch up.
You need to then think of the end user. Even if the infrastructure gets there, how much of the population can really fully utilize it? If your average joe in many developing countries is looking for a smartphone, he likely cannot even buy an iPhone so he looks for an entry level model like a cheaper android unit or a blackberry curve. Then there are the costs incurred with running the phone and having a smartphone that is more efficient on bandwidth is something that an informed customer who NEEDS to keep cost down would care about. When money is in short supply, that matters.
And the scale of value for even running a basic cell phone let alone a smartphone is totally different. I was in Jordan last year and I found out that even running a prepaid cell phone costs as much there as it does here (sometimes more) yet wages (I was talking to a guy with a wife and 2 kids and he was makeing $300 per month) and everything else are much less so the scale of value on a mobile phone is totally different.
I get that you think RIM is a cooked goose, thats totally fine, opinion noted but trying to say that security, encryption and efficiency do not matter is silly. It matters and is why many companies will migrate off BB's and adopt Apple but are more hesitant to adopt Android. Because of security. Its why Samsung is trying to prove they can match BB's with their S.A.F.E designated phones
I don't know, maybe the point you are trying to make is that those attributes are not enough to keep RIM in the game? If thats the case, I probably agree with you. RIm has needed more than that.
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