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Subsequent to this ... I had *another* issue with the PC5 false-triggering in the last SOAR round, which was all rain on Sunday, despite the two wires from the quickshifter being taped over.

The orientation of the PC5 control box in the bike has those wires coming in from the back of the box, which is higher than the front, which leads to those wires being "downhill" towards the box, which led to water running down the wire and into the box underneath the piece of tape above them ...

But this time, I recognised the problem when it developed, and the quick-fix at the track was to set the minimum quickshift RPM to 500 rpm below the normal shift RPM ... that way, it could false-trigger all it wanted mid-corner below that RPM and it wouldn't do anything, and I could deal with the occasional hiccup in the half second it spent in that 500 rpm window (only happened a couple of times).

The more permanent fix (after drying everything out!) was re-routing the cable so that it came towards the box from underneath with the wires bent 90 degrees right at the spot where they go into the box, and tape over that, so that there is no longer any water-running-downhill path for water to get in there.

It's still a crap design. Obviously they are using high-impedance inputs that are sensitive to even the slightest (micro-amperes?) leakage to ground. I know their circuit works by biasing the input wire high and then detecting whether the switch shorts it to ground, but if water intrusion leaks enough current to trip the sensor, it's too sensitive. And they should really be using weathertight connections - not bare wire ends inserted into a terminal strip and held by a set-screw.

Dunno about the others but the Kawasaki OEM shift-rod sensor is actually a strain gauge, not just an on-off switch. It's actually measuring how much force you are applying and in which direction. I'm not privy to their programming but it wouldn't surprise me if they are not using a "dumb timer" (like how the aftermarket ones operate) but rather are watching engine RPM and gear-position switch, and are cutting ignition until they see gear-position change and engine RPM drop to confirm that the shift is complete and then re-activating ignition at that moment. The ECU knows RPM, shift-rod force, which gear is currently selected, whether you are using the clutch, etc.
 
credits to Lamb Chop Rides
Install and ride review of the Translogic QS
ride review and comparison at 5:25

 
I used a simple FTECU one on my R6, worked well but is now up for sale. It's a simple momentary switch that grounds out ECU pin 21. When the ECU sees a ground on that pin, it cuts ignition for a pre-set time.

I've moved over to Woolich race tools system, it's a double duty switch handling both quickshift and autoblipper functionality. The customization on it is pretty impressive; I look forward to dialing it in so it's perfect
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As for whether a QS makes sense on the street, I think 100% yes. My MT09 was originally purchased without one and after putting one on, it has become much, much more enjoyable to ride. Makes a really sweet shifting sound with the inline 3 motor (sort of like a DSG shift). Take off in first with the MT, front wheel lofts and just use the QS up in the air. You'll be in 6th by the time the front comes back down, it never fails to entertain ?
 
I can tell by the options that you are presented with, that it is using a strain-gauge to measure the force on the shift rod ... not just a simple switch. Nice.
 
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As for whether a QS makes sense on the street, I think 100% yes. My MT09 was originally purchased without one and after putting one on, it has become much, much more enjoyable to ride. Makes a really sweet shifting sound with the inline 3 motor (sort of like a DSG shift). Take off in first with the MT, front wheel lofts and just use the QS up in the air. You'll be in 6th by the time the front comes back down, it never fails to entertain ?
You made a very solid case for 100% needing a quick shift for street there :unsure:
 
I used a simple FTECU one on my R6, worked well but is now up for sale. It's a simple momentary switch that grounds out ECU pin 21. When the ECU sees a ground on that pin, it cuts ignition for a pre-set time.

I've moved over to Woolich race tools system, it's a double duty switch handling both quickshift and autoblipper functionality. The customization on it is pretty impressive; I look forward to dialing it in so it's perfect
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As for whether a QS makes sense on the street, I think 100% yes. My MT09 was originally purchased without one and after putting one on, it has become much, much more enjoyable to ride. Makes a really sweet shifting sound with the inline 3 motor (sort of like a DSG shift). Take off in first with the MT, front wheel lofts and just use the QS up in the air. You'll be in 6th by the time the front comes back down, it never fails to entertain ?
Really cool. I know these aren't your final settings, but I have questions. I tried to look up answers but they want an account to see information. boo.

What's the 5.0 at the top of the table?

Why is autoblipper pressure lower than quickshifter? Revs up prior to ignition cut so it has a head start?

Why is the delay between shifts so short? I've never timed it but 500 msec per gear seems pretty quick.

How is launch control triggered?

What is engine warm up strength, open/close time?
 
The delay between shifts thing is to avoid it false-triggering a second time during the period after the shift is complete that you are still applying force to the lever. It's not common that you have to do two upshifts that quickly in succession unless there is a spot on the track that requires an upshift and an immediate short-shift afterwards to be in the right gear accelerating around the next corner. IIRC there is a spot at Jerez (or Portimao? maybe both) that is like that, so there is a trade-off for what that setting is.
 
Really cool. I know these aren't your final settings, but I have questions. I tried to look up answers but they want an account to see information. boo.

What's the 5.0 at the top of the table?

Why is autoblipper pressure lower than quickshifter? Revs up prior to ignition cut so it has a head start?

Why is the delay between shifts so short? I've never timed it but 500 msec per gear seems pretty quick.

How is launch control triggered?

What is engine warm up strength, open/close time?

The 5.0 at the top of the value is a modifier (Ie. you can select a bunch of cells, then click add/subtract and it'll make the same change to all the cells. It is an alternative to doing each cell value individually.

I'm new to all the Woolich stuff, so I won't be able to offer too much insight right now. Here's some info that may help:
QS:
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Autoblipper:
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LC:

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I'm pretty excited about this system and what it can offer. They did give me a bit of a "racer discount" in exchange for having their patch on my suit and I'm considering helping them out with sales in Ontario. But first, I want to dig into the product, make sure it works as they say, and see what the usability is like.
 
The 5.0 at the top of the value is a modifier (Ie. you can select a bunch of cells, then click add/subtract and it'll make the same change to all the cells. It is an alternative to doing each cell value individually.

I'm new to all the Woolich stuff, so I won't be able to offer too much insight right now. Here's some info that may help:
QS:
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Autoblipper:
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LC:

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I'm pretty excited about this system and what it can offer. They did give me a bit of a "racer discount" in exchange for having their patch on my suit and I'm considering helping them out with sales in Ontario. But first, I want to dig into the product, make sure it works as they say, and see what the usability is like.
Thanks. It looks really cool. Try not to lose your license while dialing in the system.
 
How else are you going to get over an obstacle taller than your front axle?
While shift accelerating through 6 gears :cool: that's some world class riding right there (y)
 
I beg to differ, I run the Woolich software on my 2008 B-king, runs a busa map with a cordona quickshifter and it works fantastic. I hate aftermarket boxes filling what space I have under the seat.
 

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