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http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...or-trudeau-at-paris-climate-change-talks.html

Look in the comments section for one by a guy called Ardon. I just spewed my coffee all oner my screen :)

"I look at this as very positive. I can drive my 68 Camaro with the 454 LTX 650 HP engine running on 110 octane leaded race gas and no catalytic converter, and continue to pour my waste oil and urethane auto paint left overs down the storm sewer outside my house as I'm now paying for it. Its consequence free."
 
Delboy said:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...or-trudeau-at-paris-climate-change-talks.html

Look in the comments section for one by a guy called Ardon. I just spewed my coffee all oner my screen :)

"I look at this as very positive. I can drive my 68 Camaro with the 454 LTX 650 HP engine running on 110 octane leaded race gas and no catalytic converter, and continue to pour my waste oil and urethane auto paint left overs down the storm sewer outside my house as I'm now paying for it. Its consequence free."
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Brilliant :) That reminds me. I just did an oil change, Hmmmm.....

I wonder how long before the Star deletes that

I did think those charts in the article were interesting though. Canada isn't even a rounding error compared to China, the US, India, Russia, Japan and Germany. So why is this costing us $3Bn?
 
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I'm in agreement that something has to be done.

Even if its not driving up temperatures (depending on which PAID research you believe) its probably not great to be breathing in all that crap.

But for the life of me I can't figure out how paying carbon taxes, not addressing the root cause and have everyone continue as normal gets us anywhere.

It's more about filling Justin's coffers. He's a smart guy in that respect. If he increased income tax it would be unpopular. He just wacks a big "carbon tax" on everything and tells voters that they are saving the planet for their grand kids. Meanwhile its tax and spend as usual. Actually it very smart.

And I wonder what those third world countries will do with his $3 billion gift. Of course they are going to stop cutting down rainforest and industrializing as soon as possible. There is no way they are going to use that money for a big party.

Setting targets does not work unless you have buy in and comittment
 
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I don't get it.


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I guess the guy was saying that since he's already paying for it, it gives him carte blanch to pollute. I though it was funny, but I wonder how may people would justify not changing their life style as now they are being taxed on it.
 
Climate change will be the goose that laid the golden egg for the next few decades. This is going to be milked to the tune of trillions of dollars and any iota of positive direction is going to validate the difference.
 
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I guess the guy was saying that since he's already paying for it, it gives him carte blanch to pollute. I though it was funny, but I wonder how may people would justify not changing their life style as now they are being taxed on it.
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So, since tax revenue will be spent on green technology and such, he feels he can pollute all he wants?

If that's the message that's pretty stupid.... And maybe the most stupid post ever?


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caboose56 said:
So, since tax revenue will be spent on green technology and such, he feels he can pollute all he wants?

If that's the message that's pretty stupid.... And maybe the most stupid post ever?


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No, I like it. It shows the stupidity of the whole thing. Taxes alone will not cut pollution. I don't believe for one moment that anyone is stupid enough to pour waste oil down a storm sewer, although you never know

IMHO, we should actually be investing this cash in developing REAL, economical clean fuel alternatives that produce less or eliminate greenhouse gases altogether.

By Justin buying into these cap and trade policies the only thing that will happen is the production of highly taxed, high cost energy. So what's the result of that? Manufacturers will simply go set up shop in China or India where power, taxes and tariffs are cheap.

Under Dalton and Whynne, Ontario lost 300,000 manufacturing jobs. High power costs, high taxes and low productivity have a factor and the green energy act has been a disaster.
 
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Watching this country go down the shitter. I am just waiting for the right time to leave this place
 
I personally believe that we are causing it (at least part of it) and the world has to do something about it. But I have problems with many of the approaches:

Cap and Trade, well this is just another scheme for the wall street types to get rich off another type of trading. Dumb idea.

Carbon taxes, well they get us in-line with personal consumption but they don't do much to curb countries not signed up--and maybe not even industry here. Adding 10 cents a litre to gas for example will not make much of a difference because it is a couple of bucks at a time--becomes a cash grab. Now if there was some way to ding the consumer in a lump sum at the end of the year, that 10 cents a litre becomes $500 for an SUV driver and they may rethink at that point, it is just about the psychology of paying an extra $10 a week verses $500 all at once. My answer, make fuel consumption classes and make plate renewal more expensive for vehicles with poor gas mileage--lump sum has a bigger impact.

What they should do for world wide industry. Put a value on carbon, apply that value as a tariff to countries that make stuff and have high carbon output per capita. Countries burning coal, well it gets pricey to sell the stuff you make there... Countries that are taking the lead, well their reward will be manufacturing jobs. Just another scheme to bring back tariffs in the free trade mad world.
 
RockerGuy said:
Watching this country go down the shitter. I am just waiting for the right time to leave this place
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I already did. 2 weeks after JT was elected.

I figure I have a year and two months until "The Don" becomes President then I don't know what I'll do. Maybe Bangkok, and I'm being serious. I could probably get a little house in Phuket and live quite comfortably for the rest of my life
 
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What they should do for world wide industry. Put a value on carbon, apply that value as a tariff to countries that make stuff and have high carbon output per capita. Countries burning coal, well it gets pricey to sell the stuff you make there... Countries that are taking the lead, well their reward will be manufacturing jobs. Just another scheme to bring back tariffs in the free trade mad world.
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I really like this idea. Everyone is then incentivized (sp) to participate.
 
Clem said:
IMHO, we should actually be investing this cash in developing REAL, economical clean fuel alternatives that produce less or eliminate greenhouse gases altogether.

By Justin buying into these cap and trade policies the only thing that will happen is the production of highly taxed, high cost energy. So what's the result of that? Manufacturers will simply go set up shop in China or India where power, taxes and tariffs are cheap.
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I think I agree with this more or less.



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caboose56 said:
I think I agree with this more or less.



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To me it just makes sense. Canadians are smart. We have some of the best Schools and people. Pump some cash into REAL research into sustainable energy. Not just putting up a windmill at Exhibition Place or installing some cheap Chinese solar panels

Justin pledged $300 million a year for R&D on clean energy technologies for Bill Gates fund. Where is that money going - Redmond and US jobs.

Why not just invest it in Waterloo. Canadian ideas and Canadian jobs for a part of the province that's been hit hard by RIM's decline.
 
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its not the best post ever since engine oil down the sewer and urethane paint leftovers are probably not a climate change indicator. It would be an indicator of a red neck wanker, and yes the post was put up tongue in cheek.
Trudeau visits a world summit on climate change, and its real folks. Its not some science guys looking for a grant. Yet at a grass roots level where even turning off your engine in a no idle zone could make somebodies life better, we have the hold my beer and watch this crowd running leaded fuel and feeling proud.
We are so screwed.
 
While the guy with the big block Camaro was hopefully being sarcastic there is pendulum problem.

If we become too energy frugal cold winters will return and it will be too cold to pedal to work.
 
Clem said:
To me it just makes sense. Canadians are smart. We have some of the best Schools and people. Pump some cash into REAL research into sustainable energy. Not just putting up a windmill at Exhibition Place or installing some cheap Chinese solar panels

Justin pledged $300 million a year for R&D on clean energy technologies for Bill Gates fund. Where is that money going - Redmond and US jobs.

Why not just invest it in Waterloo. Canadian ideas and Canadian jobs for a part of the province that's been hit hard by RIM's decline.
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R&D tax credits have been gutted in this country by the last administration in an attempt to balance the government's books. The company I work for is around 30% R&D, but to the CRA we do not qualify for R&D tax credits. If the thing you are working on has already been invented and you are just making it better, no dice. So solar cells exist, based on this I would imagine that solar cells exist, inventing a better one is not R&D to the CRA...

Maybe other industries are better, in ours there is just no point in applying... I would not be surprised if this was across the board.
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