Best Alarm System - Unlimited Budget

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Ray777

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Hey guys,

My best friend's family just purchased a Ducati Diavel Carbon and a Ducati Evo 848. They're brand new, 2012 and 2013, and they personally imported them from Italy. So they really like their bikes.

And, as such, they want to make sure they have the best security around for them. So, I was given the task of finding them the best alarm system for their bike (I'm good with computers, so they asked me to do the research for them. But I figured you guys would have the experience in the area that they need). I was told price doesn't matter (within reason).

My friend told me what the system must have: he wants the alarm to go off if anybody sits on the bike, or so much as touches it. And he wants to be notified remotely if that happens. Also, after doing a little personal research, I think a Lojack system would be useful for them. What do you guys think?

Would you guys be able to help me out? I don't bike, so I'm a noob. Thanks guys!!
 
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Ray777 said:
personally imported from Italy.
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...why?

Anyways as for the alarm, Scorpio makes the SR-i1100 which has GPS tracking and a ton of features. Their other main model the SR-i900 is very popular.
 
I was thinking more along the lines of that invisible cloak they have now. hire a guy to sit on the bike when not in use. shoot first ask questions later when an attempted theft happens.
money is no issue right? voila.
 
espro said:
...why?

Anyways as for the alarm, Scorpio makes the SR-i1100 which has GPS tracking and a ton of features. Their other main model the SR-i900 is very popular.
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Beats me. They're well-off people, and these are their first motorcycles. :O

But thanks to you and silverbullet! I'm reading up on reviews for the Sr-i1100 and I think I'll point them in the direction of that, and let them decide if they want any other anti-theft measures, like a disk lock or something.

Thanks! :D
 
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I'm very happy with my i9000.. the sr-i1000 looks pretty nifty, but I wouldn't want to pay the monthly fee for data service on it. (can't quite tell if that functionality is available in Canada either and without it, it's basically an i9000..)
 
Rita McNeil perfect deterent!
 
just_luc said:
I'm very happy with my i9000.. the sr-i1000 looks pretty nifty, but I wouldn't want to pay the monthly fee for data service on it. (can't quite tell if that functionality is available in Canada either and without it, it's basically an i9000..)
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I have the sr-i1000, it's $10/month for the service (I think) and has a lot of nice features like tracking all your rides for you (great when you go on a group ride and later want to recall the route), being able to locate your bike remotely, geofences, etc. You can also get notification to multiple devices simultaneously.

The two major annoyances are that you may not get the alarm notification for up to 30 seconds, and that most of the remote features are useless once the alarm goes into sleep mode (about 30 minutes after arming) and you can't do a remote disarm, locate, panic, etc.

Also, they do not have an android or blackberry client (the android client had been "coming soon" for at least a year now) so if you don't have an iPhone it will really water down the feature set.

I also found the perimeter feature pretty useless (although you can turn it off) if you park anywhere in public.

Lastly, if you do any cross-border riding, the Canadian version will not work in the US and vise-versa.

With all that being said, I'm still glad I bought it, although the value proposition may be different for someone else.


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giesen said:
I have the sr-i1000, it's $10/month for the service (I think) and has a lot of nice features like tracking all your rides for you (great when you go on a group ride and later want to recall the route), being able to locate your bike remotely, geofences, etc. You can also get notification to multiple devices simultaneously.

The two major annoyances are that you may not get the alarm notification for up to 30 seconds, and that most of the remote features are useless once the alarm goes into sleep mode (about 30 minutes after arming) and you can't do a remote disarm, locate, panic, etc.

Also, they do not have an android or blackberry client (the android client had been "coming soon" for at least a year now) so if you don't have an iPhone it will really water down the feature set.

I also found the perimeter feature pretty useless (although you can turn it off) if you park anywhere in public.

Lastly, if you do any cross-border riding, the Canadian version will not work in the US and vise-versa.

With all that being said, I'm still glad I bought it, although the value proposition may be different for someone else.


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Thanks for the write up. Good to see that it works in Canada but after your comments I think I like it less! The idea of the system going into sleep mode after 30 minutes and not being able to access the features is a huge deterrent. Also the 30 second delay in alarm notification... And not being able to track rides across the boarder negates that feature for me too as we cross often.

Those online data features are pretty cool, and it would be nice to have unlimited range using the internet.. but at least the short-ish range on the i9000 rf remote is a constant connection.. no delay and no timeout. And I can download my Garmin Zumo to save routes from rides..


boooya said:
Does Ducati not make a factory plug and play Alarm?
Tell them to get good insurance and not worry about it.
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The scorpio is plug and play with OEM connectors.. install takes about 5 minutes.

Insurance doesn't help.. the alarm isn't about theft. If they want it they'll get it. The alarm is for knock overs, idiots sitting on it. scratching it etc.

I was at Canadian Tire one day when I came out and found some d-bag sitting his kid on my bike and taking pictures.. alarm went on the next day. Nobody touches it without my permission now.

Also if I'm in a diner or something, I don't have to worry about my luggage, or the GPS etc.. if someone starts poking around the bike the proximity sensor will alert me before they get close enough to undo a zipper..
 
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I have the sr-i1000, it's $10/month for the service (I think) and has a lot of nice features like tracking all your rides for you (great when you go on a group ride and later want to recall the route), being able to locate your bike remotely, geofences, etc. You can also get notification to multiple devices simultaneously.
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who did you purchase it from? the scorpio site states to work in canada it has to be purchased from a Canadian reseller.

I'm on the fence between a lower end scoprio + gtu10 garmin tracker or just one full blown package. it's too bad the i1000 can't use the lcd remote. (or does it?)
 
just_luc said:
I'm very happy with my i9000.. the sr-i1000 looks pretty nifty, but I wouldn't want to pay the monthly fee for data service on it. (can't quite tell if that functionality is available in Canada either and without it, it's basically an i9000..)
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$12/mo GPS tracking service in Canada. Notifies you of tilt, ignition attempt, strearing turn, exiting a geo-perimeter, proximity. It tracks route, direction, speed and records all routes. Amazing iPhone app. You can set up a silent only alarm (only sending a text and email), or you can add a siren for $60 extra.

Downsides: at times it can be inaccurate or a bit slow in notifying via text and email. It can be between 30 seconds to 2 minutes in sending the signal. It also has GPS lock "drift" downtown, near too many big buildings, sometimes sending a false alarm for leaving a pre-set geo-peremiter (if you set one up). Poor app support on BB and Android.

Over all, the best alarm on the market.
 
fyrebug said:
who did you purchase it from? the scorpio site states to work in canada it has to be purchased from a Canadian reseller.

I'm on the fence between a lower end scoprio + gtu10 garmin tracker or just one full blown package. it's too bad the i1000 can't use the lcd remote. (or does it?)
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Has a fob remote or iPhone app is superb. BB app is just a painfully slow mobile webpage. Android not sure.
 
boooya said:
Does Ducati not make a factory plug and play Alarm?
Tell them to get good insurance and not worry about it.
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Older Ducatis have plug and play connectors. New CAT5 electrical loom Ducatis don't. I am not going to tell anymore on this forum but the installation could potentially void you warranty on the loom (which is 1 year). CAT5 cables carry data as well as current, so Ducati techs aren't too confident about tapping into them as one cable may be handling a lot of systems. There is a way to install it however, but with new Ducatis the lights cannot be integrated into the alarm at all.
 
fyrebug said:
who did you purchase it from? the scorpio site states to work in canada it has to be purchased from a Canadian reseller.

I'm on the fence between a lower end scoprio + gtu10 garmin tracker or just one full blown package. it's too bad the i1000 can't use the lcd remote. (or does it?)
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I bought it directly from Aritronix
 
just_luc said:
Thanks for the write up. Good to see that it works in Canada but after your comments I think I like it less! The idea of the system going into sleep mode after 30 minutes and not being able to access the features is a huge deterrent. Also the 30 second delay in alarm notification... And not being able to track rides across the boarder negates that feature for me too as we cross often.

Those online data features are pretty cool, and it would be nice to have unlimited range using the internet.. but at least the short-ish range on the i9000 rf remote is a constant connection.. no delay and no timeout. And I can download my Garmin Zumo to save routes from rides..




The scorpio is plug and play with OEM connectors.. install takes about 5 minutes.

Insurance doesn't help.. the alarm isn't about theft. If they want it they'll get it. The alarm is for knock overs, idiots sitting on it. scratching it etc.

I was at Canadian Tire one day when I came out and found some d-bag sitting his kid on my bike and taking pictures.. alarm went on the next day. Nobody touches it without my permission now.

Also if I'm in a diner or something, I don't have to worry about my luggage, or the GPS etc.. if someone starts poking around the bike the proximity sensor will alert me before they get close enough to undo a zipper..
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I believe the sleep mode can be disabled, but at the risk of draining your battery. I was toying with the idea of getting a second US unit (and data plan) and just swapping it out when I cross the border, but I don't go to the US yet enough to justify it. It would probably be pretty easy to do as my alarm is just velcro'd in, so you'd just unplug the connectors and do the swap.

The one thing you don't get with the 900 is GPS tracking, which I'm not sure if it's of any value or not as it probably won't be able to get a GPS signal if it's in the back of a van...
 
giesen said:
The one thing you don't get with the 900 is GPS tracking, which I'm not sure if it's of any value or not as it probably won't be able to get a GPS signal if it's in the back of a van...
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at some point the bike will exit the back of the van. but after reading a bit more about the i1100 it looks like the scorpio doesn't have a battery backup (correct me if I'm wrong)
so if they steal your bike they'll probably disconnect the battery to shut up the alarm, or rip out the alarm. either way it's not tracking jack.

I think having a secondary and separate tracking device might yield better results. the garmin GTU 10 has an internal battery good for up to a week depending on how often it updates. hide that somewhere in the bike and at some point the bike will possibly get a connection and update itself.
 
fyrebug said:
at some point the bike will exit the back of the van. but after reading a bit more about the i1100 it looks like the scorpio doesn't have a battery backup (correct me if I'm wrong)
so if they steal your bike they'll probably disconnect the battery to shut up the alarm, or rip out the alarm. either way it's not tracking jack.

I think having a secondary and separate tracking device might yield better results. the garmin GTU 10 has an internal battery good for up to a week depending on how often it updates. hide that somewhere in the bike and at some point the bike will possibly get a connection and update itself.
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It indeed has a built-in battery backup that will work for 25 hours after the bike battery is pulled (and will even report if battery is low)


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