Barrie Officer cleared of charges when he made a left turn in front of a Motorcycle

[Paul1000RR]

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Here's the intersection

2 lanes going each way, i don't see what the problem here was. It was difficult for the cop to see the bike however whoever is making a left has the responsibility to make sure the way is clear. you don't just guess, you make sure.
cop is 100% at fault here as per the laws.

 

[jeffjones]

the motorcycle was not in a marked lane, he was on the shoulder, making an illegal pass.

It is a 2 lane road....

 

[Paul1000RR]

Most intersections with sidewalks and pedestrian lights have pedestrian crossovers. Unless it was some rural road with no pedestrian access then the crossover is incorporated.

lol if you say so

if you look at crossings the dotted line becomes solid, and a sign says "no passing, here to crossing". you do not see the same thing at a regular set of lights.

 

[awyala]

lol if you say so

if you look at crossings the dotted line becomes solid, and a sign says "no passing, here to crossing". you do not see the same thing at a regular set of lights.

Official HTA definition:

“pedestrian crossover” means any portion of a roadway, designated by by-law of a municipality, at an intersection or elsewhere, distinctly indicated for pedestrian crossing by signs on the highway and lines or other markings on the surface of the roadway as prescribed by the regulations; (“passage pour piétons”)

Sorry bud. I hate to see the cop walk too, but it was the biker's fault.

 

[SLaP]

Most likely what happened...

Cop didn't see the bike in the curb lane because the vehicle in the centre lane was obstructing the cops view.
Cop shouldn't have made the turn without making sure there was nothing approaching in the curb lane.

http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...sent-to-hospital-after-collision-with-cruiser

 

[awyala]

Most likely what happened...

Cop didn't see the bike in the curb lane because the vehicle in the centre lane was obstructing the cops view.
Cop shouldn't have made the turn without making sure there was nothing approaching in the curb lane.

Technically the BIKE didn't see the possible obstruction and shouldnt have proceeded through the intersection. Actually proceeding through the intersection as described was against HTA 140. See above.

 

[high side]

there is no shoulder on this road. just curb.i think cop was cleared,before they got started.as for the bike,ya gotta slow down and expect to be killed at every intersection.that way your ready for it when it happens.cagers always get the right of way,when im riding.they always win,when the two get together. ride safe.and slow down through the intersections.you will live longer.my 2 cents.

 

[SLaP]

Technically the BIKE didn't see the possible obstruction and shouldnt have proceeded through the intersection. Actually proceeding through the intersection as described was against HTA 140. See above.

Cop was making the left, bike was proceeding straight through the intersection.

Regardless of any law, both cop and biker could have prevented this.

 

[Paul1000RR]

Pedestrian crossover, duties of driver
140. (1) ...

Where vehicle stopped at pedestrian crossover
(2) When a vehicle or street car is stopped at a pedestrian crossover, the driver of any other vehicle or street car overtaking the stopped vehicle or street car shall bring the vehicle or street car to a full stop before entering the crossover and shall yield the right of way to a pedestrian or a person in a wheelchair,
(a) who is within the crossover upon the half of the roadway upon which the vehicle or street car is stopped; or
(b) who is within the crossover and is approaching the half of the roadway from the other half of the roadway so closely to the vehicle or street car that he or she is in danger if the vehicle or street car were to proceed. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 140 (2).
Passing moving vehicles within 30 metres of pedestrian crossover
(3) When a vehicle or street car is approaching a pedestrian crossover and is within 30 metres thereof, the driver of any other vehicle or street car approaching from the rear shall not allow the front extremity of his or her vehicle or streetcar to pass beyond the front extremity of the other vehicle or street car. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 140 (3).


Sorry guys, biker was wrong in this case and broke the above law. This law is designed to stop anxious drivers from changing lanes and blowing past a slower car at an intersection because the following cars may not see the hazard the initial approaching car has a clear view of, including left turning vehicles and pedestrians (even jay walking ones).

The law basically says no one can pass anyone (moving) within 30 seconds of an intersection. I stress the term moving, because if the lead car is stopped, you may still pass within 30 m of the intersection (filter, wink wink nudge nudge), but you must also come to a complete stop at the intersection. So either way the biker was wrong in this case because a) if the lead vehicle was slowing, the biker should not have passed, and b) if the lead vehicle was stopped at the amber, then the biker should also have come to a complete stop before proceeding.

so assuming you're right, there were 2 lanes. how do you know he changed lanes within 30 meters and wasn't in the right lane all along?

sounds to me like the boys in blue simply protecting their own.

 

[Paul1000RR]

Technically the BIKE didn't see the possible obstruction and shouldnt have proceeded through the intersection. Actually proceeding through the intersection as described was against HTA 140. See above.

i thnk you're reaching lol

 

[awyala]

so assuming you're right, there were 2 lanes. how do you know he changed lanes within 30 meters and wasn't in the right lane all along?

sounds to me like the boys in blue simply protecting their own.

It doesn't matter if he changed lanes or not....the biker was not allowed to pass the leading edge of the car in front of him to either side in any lane. You can change lanes, you just can't pass the leading edge of the car ahead of you approaching an intersection. And if that car happens not to be approaching but actually stopped, you too must stop then proceed through the intersection. The bike did neither of those things and went right past the vehicle stopped for the amber light.

 

[awyala]

i thnk you're reaching lol

What reaching? draw it out on paper. Draw 2 lanes and an intersection. Draw 1 car ahead of the bike in the left lane, and the bike trailing in the right lane. Draw the lead car within 30m of the intersection. Acording to 140, the trailing vehicle, cannot pass the leading edge of the vehicle in front!

Draw it out. If the lead vehicle (in the left lane) was fully stopped at the intersection, the biker (in the right lane) would have to fully stop, check the intersection was clear, then proceed through (assuming there was still enough time on the amber light to do so).

 

[SLaP]

It doesn't matter if he changed lanes or not....the biker was not allowed to pass the leading edge of the car in front of him to either side in any lane. You can change lanes, you just can't pass the leading edge of the car ahead of you approaching an intersection. And if that car happens not to be approaching but actually stopped, you too must stop then proceed through the intersection. The bike did neither of those things and went right past the vehicle stopped for the amber light.

It is not a pedestrian crossover. It is an intersection. Drivers Ed 101

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/section2.5.3.shtml

 

[vrus]

I think it's important to adjust to the conditions accordingly.

If the light is amber, and the vehicle ahead already has brake lights on , my instinct would be to prepare for a stop.

If I do not have a clear view of the opposite lanes, I definitely slow down, because trying to 'beat the yellow' in those circumstances would be dangerous.

 

[Paul1000RR]

What reaching? draw it out on paper. Draw 2 lanes and an intersection. Draw 1 car ahead of the bike in the left lane, and the bike trailing in the right lane. Draw the lead car within 30m of the intersection. Acording to 140, the trailing vehicle, cannot pass the leading edge of the vehicle in front!

Draw it out. If the lead vehicle (in the left lane) was fully stopped at the intersection, the biker (in the right lane) would have to fully stop, check the intersection was clear, then proceed through (assuming there was still enough time on the amber light to do so).

bahaahahahh now you're just full of ****. i gave u the benefit of the doubt, but with you messed up interpretation of that law if there is ever a car turning left everyone in the other lanes would have to come to a complete stop before passing them lol

 

[Paul1000RR]

I think it's important to adjust to the conditions accordingly.

If the light is amber, and the vehicle ahead already has brake lights on , my instinct would be to prepare for a stop.

If I do not have a clear view of the opposite lanes, I definitely slow down, because trying to 'beat the yellow' in those circumstances would be dangerous.

no doubt, and you're 100% right. the same way the cop could have waited a couple seconds more to make sure the way was clear

 

[SLaP]

I think it's important to adjust to the conditions accordingly.

If the light is amber, and the vehicle ahead already has brake lights on , my instinct would be to prepare for a stop.

If I do not have a clear view of the opposite lanes, I definitely slow down, because trying to 'beat the yellow' in those circumstances would be dangerous.

Exactly, both cop and biker could have avoided with a little caution and patience.
However, since the cop was making the left, he is at fault according to the law.

 

[awyala]

It is not a pedestrian crossover. It is an intersection. Drivers Ed 101

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/section2.5.3.shtml

Sorry bud, and for the second time posting it:

Official HTA definition:

“pedestrian crossover” means any portion of a roadway, designated by by-law of a municipality, at an intersection or elsewhere, distinctly indicated for pedestrian crossing by signs on the highway and lines or other markings on the surface of the roadway as prescribed by the regulations; (“passage pour piétons”)

HTA trumps drivers ed.

 

[Paul1000RR]

Exactly, both cop and biker could have avoided with a little caution and patience.
However, since the cop was making the left, he is at fault according to the law.

apparently not if the law is applied by your buddy in blue

 

[RandomHero]

bahaahahahh now you're just full of ****. i gave u the benefit of the doubt, but with you messed up interpretation of that law if there is ever a car turning left everyone in the other lanes would have to come to a complete stop before passing them lol

How do you get that from his post? Why would both lanes have to come to a complete stop? The car in the left lane would only stop if his path was obstructed. Next time you try making a comparison do so without making a fool out of yourself.

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