kiwi
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The problem is really that the **** drivers dont loose licences. Enforcement is done on publicized "blitzs" . Should be done continuously
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Attorney General's Public Consultation for Traffic Offences
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Some studies indicate that most people know their limits and drive at reasonable speeds. However there are always the A-Hs that will overdrive their skills and the dweebs that will drive at half the safe limit. It isn't the speed that kills but the difference in speed. When you're doing 140 and the bridge abutment is doing zero you haven't a chance.
Golluk
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Not to mention he is using a straw man argument. No one is saying get rid of traffic tickets/enforcement.
You're innocent until proven guilty. Just because an officer charges you with an offence, does not mean you're automatically guilty. They're human as well and make mistakes. That's why we need the courts to sort things out.
Study after study shows that drivers will not speed because of higher limits. If tomorrow the speed limit on the 407 was changed to 150, you will not see average speeds of 170km/h. There's a small minority of the population that will actually attempt to travel at those speeds.
Drivers drive for the design limit of the road, not the posted limit: http://raisethehammer.org/article/2156/freeway_speeds_on_city_streets_designed_like_freeways
https://ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=8401437
The Utah Department of Transportation says it is seeing fewer speeders after raising the speed limit from 75 to 80 miles an hour on parts of Interstate 15 in Southern Utah.
The extra five miles an hour was added to two stretches of I-15 earlier this year. One section begins at mile marker 207 near the Mills exit, south to mile marker 187 at Scipio. The other section is from the Fillmore exit at mile marker 162, south to Kanosh at mile marker 144.
When the limit was posted at 75, UDOT said drivers averaged 81 to 85 miles an hour. But with the speed limit now at 80, the agency finds the average driver still does not go above 85.
UDOT also says it has not seen an increase in accidents along those two stretches.
The extra five miles an hour was added to two stretches of I-15 earlier this year. One section begins at mile marker 207 near the Mills exit, south to mile marker 187 at Scipio. The other section is from the Fillmore exit at mile marker 162, south to Kanosh at mile marker 144.
When the limit was posted at 75, UDOT said drivers averaged 81 to 85 miles an hour. But with the speed limit now at 80, the agency finds the average driver still does not go above 85.
UDOT also says it has not seen an increase in accidents along those two stretches.
Besides that, on the German autobahn, even in the unrestricted areas, the normal traffic flow is in the 120 - 140 km/h range.
There is the occasional big Mercedes going much faster (of course), but for every one of those, there are countless ordinary cars like Renault Twingo, VW Golf non-turbo diesel, Opel Corsa 1.2, Ford Mondeo hauling a trailer bigger than the car (restricted to 100 km/h when towing), Fiat Ducato full-size van 2.3 diesel, smart fortwo, etc., none of which have any business going fast ...
There is the occasional big Mercedes going much faster (of course), but for every one of those, there are countless ordinary cars like Renault Twingo, VW Golf non-turbo diesel, Opel Corsa 1.2, Ford Mondeo hauling a trailer bigger than the car (restricted to 100 km/h when towing), Fiat Ducato full-size van 2.3 diesel, smart fortwo, etc., none of which have any business going fast ...
There is a petition against the implementation of Administrative Penalties here:
https://www.change.org/p/kathleen-w...mpps-stop-administrative-penalties-in-ontario
There was a great message posted there. I think so anyway:
I value the presumption of innocence. I do not forget that the price paid for our liberty over the centuries was paid in blood. Without exaggeration, our entire system of justice is built upon the presumption of innocence. It is called 'the Golden Thread' and it is woven into the entire process.
I am signing this petition to express my disgust with a government that would legislate that police evidence is deemed to be true and that the RIGHT of cross examination is taken from it's citizens.
This proposed legislation is not just a slippery slope as others have described it. On its own it clearly violates sections of the Charter. I understand an Orwellian term will be used to disguise these Charter violations.
In any form of government, either the people control the police or the police control the people. Not the first, but perhaps the final step in the creation of a police state is taking away the right of an innocent person to cross examine a police officer.
Inscribed in the Statue of Liberty are the words of Thomas Jefferson:
A country prepared to trade liberty for order will end up with neither AND DESERVES NEITHER.
Please sign this petition.
https://www.change.org/p/kathleen-w...mpps-stop-administrative-penalties-in-ontario
There was a great message posted there. I think so anyway:
I value the presumption of innocence. I do not forget that the price paid for our liberty over the centuries was paid in blood. Without exaggeration, our entire system of justice is built upon the presumption of innocence. It is called 'the Golden Thread' and it is woven into the entire process.
I am signing this petition to express my disgust with a government that would legislate that police evidence is deemed to be true and that the RIGHT of cross examination is taken from it's citizens.
This proposed legislation is not just a slippery slope as others have described it. On its own it clearly violates sections of the Charter. I understand an Orwellian term will be used to disguise these Charter violations.
In any form of government, either the people control the police or the police control the people. Not the first, but perhaps the final step in the creation of a police state is taking away the right of an innocent person to cross examine a police officer.
Inscribed in the Statue of Liberty are the words of Thomas Jefferson:
A country prepared to trade liberty for order will end up with neither AND DESERVES NEITHER.
Please sign this petition.
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