Article looking at why drivers involved in fatal collisions seem to get off "lightly"

[nobbie48]

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Re: Article looking at why drivers involved in fatal collisions seem to get off "ligh

So basically in Ontario I can stage a murder and be able to get away with it for a small fine. That's good news!!!

In China is even better, kill whoever you hate then pay the police.

I always thought you will be charged for manslaughter here in a civilized country like this.

There's so many things need to be updated here in this province and possibly Canada as a country.

I wonder if anyone can name, what we are proud of as Canadian or Torontonians?

Because frankly I can think of none.

Re the murder, if they can prove intent it's murder.

I'm proud of having a mayor that could run the city better drunk than his predecessor could sober.

 

[Apollo95]

Re: Article looking at why drivers involved in fatal collisions seem to get off "ligh

Traffic laws are heavily flawed. The biggest problem is the concept of "accidents". There are very few actual true accidents in collisions. The correct term is negligent driving. There is a massive amount of negligent driving.
The most severe incidents leading to fatalities are typically plead down by the lazy Crown attorneys, looking for throughput of cases rather than any actual justice. Either way, court cases are rarely covered by media, so charges are not a proper deterrent to negligent driving.
Also, the increasing numbers of older people killing people on public roads is not being addressed at all by the MTO.

It is scary how bad you have to be to lose your licence, and how most bad and illegal driving is not enforced, it's 99% speeding charges.

well said. +1

 

[Apollo95]

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I learned from it. I learned that if a GED with gun decides to go after you and lie to make up on a ticket quota, there is nothing you can do about it.

+1

That is the problem. also, only going after "speeding" where EVERYONE is speeding.
The speed limits are archaic and frankly entrapment. At any given moment, on any given road 90% of drivers can be ticketed for doing 20+ over the limit because the limits are NOT consistent with how majority of drivers are driving.

Less focus on pointless speeding tickets. speed doesn't' kill, STUPID and ignorant KILLS!

need more focus on drivers holding up traffic in passing lane. Drivers drifting/weaving in and out of lanes.
Unsafe lane changes. and drivers who are oblivious about their surroundings, never checking mirrors or knowing what's going on around them.

 

[Apollo95]

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HTA laws aren't meant to generate revenue, yet that's all it is now.

HTA laws are meant to allow for safe, efficient traffic flow while keeping consistent with the people's right and wants.
The law is meant to SERVE the people.

as it stands now, people are being punished and facing ridiculous insurance penalties because speeding is all that is being enforced. while speeding is simply the norm.
on 400 highways, average speeds are 120-140kmh, yet anyone caught doing 10 over the average faces the HIGHEST HTA penalty of "stunting and racing" facing suspensions, fines, legal fees, and idiotic insurance penalties to follow.

in 60kmh zones, majority are doing 70-80…

and some areas the 60kmh limits are being lowered to 50 and just generating more revenue because the 50 doesn't fit the road design or the limit needed for the area.

the only speed limit that currently makes sense is the 40-50 limit in school zones and residential areas. which i think should be the main focus for speed enforcement.
All OTHER areas should be monitored for idiot drivers, and drivers who are oblivious/ignorant. not just simply "speeding" it is not Just, it is not fair and it is not making the roads safer by any means. all this does is change public perception of police officers from public protectors to bullies, and it really shouldn't be like this.

 

[XenoVibe]

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why are they called 'deaths' when they are murder? VEHICULAR MANSLAUGHTER

 

[Low rider]

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I think most people complain about high insurance rates. This is where it comes into play.
Yes, maybe the driver is not charged and convicted of murder.
But the insurance companies do pay out to the family of the person who was killed.
Rightfully so.
It is a small token given to the family, but at least it is something.

 

[GP_RZ]

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Good old Canadian Law at its best! Friends Father was on his way to work at old Goodyear plant in Collingwood, on his Honda silverwing from his home in Creemore , was hit head on by a 16yr old boy in his dads truck passing on a hill, end of it all he had a suspended license for 90 days.

 

[RockerGuy]

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Straight from 'Murica:

http://www.streetsblog.org/2013/11/...for-cab-driver-who-maimed-tourist-sian-green/

The cab driver who intentionally hit a cyclist and drove onto a Midtown sidewalk, severing the leg of British tourist Sian Green, will not be charged with a crime by Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance.

"According to published reports, Himon has a history or reckless driving, with three moving violations in 2011, including citations for running a red light and doing 65 mph in a 45 mph zone, resulting in nine points on his license. He was also involved in another crash that resulted in injury, reports said.
After reportedly arguing with a bike messenger, Himon drove a quarter of a block on a Midtown sidewalk with the cyclist on the hood before slamming into Green. He confessed to the media that he intentionally stepped on the gas before mounting the curb.""

You can do this with a car, intentionally, and get off scott free:

That disgusts me

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[elton_t]

Re: Article looking at why drivers involved in fatal collisions seem to get off "ligh

1. We have the top four standards of living in the world.
2. We have one of the least violent societies in the world.
3. We don't allow people to carry assault rifles.
4. You get really sick, you go to hospital, you get better, without a $100,000 debt.
5. We live longer than Americans
6. We live better than Americans
7. We live healthier than Americans
8. We have a higher level of education than Americans.

If you don't see that , do us a favor and move to the US.

Still.. that's just Canadian vs American. At the global view, things that we are proud of globally, i can really think of none.

 

[Apollo95]

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Still.. that's just Canadian vs American. At the global view, things that we are proud of globally, i can really think of none.

agreed. setting bar vs America is setting it low.
I'd be proud being compared to the Scandinavian countries, Finland, norway, sweden, Swiss and Germany.

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