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Curious how the parts wait is between duc and aprilia for modern/newer models? About the same?
German ownership change anything in bologna vs noale?
 
Gettin closer...Have a feeling the MT is more comfy...but ugly...
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Relax said:
Yeah, but how old are their bikes?
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One was a 2023 Superduke with two cracked mirrors due to vibrations and a couple of broken screws. He was told the part would be in sometime at the end of July or beginning of August. The other bike was 5 year old 790 (I believe) with a broken exhaust holder and that part would be in sometime in September.
 
Evoex said:
that's not even a contest, v4 is a way better motor and the bike actually looks baller.
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Is it though? The mt is ugly and the brakes aren’t as good, but iv never heard anyone say anything except glorious praise of the engine
 
bigpoppa said:
Is it though? The mt is ugly and the brakes aren’t as good, but iv never heard anyone say anything except glorious praise of the engine
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Go butt dyno it then.
 
bigpoppa said:
Is it though? The mt is ugly and the brakes aren’t as good, but iv never heard anyone say anything except glorious praise of the engine
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I gave up on I4's a long time ago, but then Yamaha came out with the crossplane R1. And the sound actually rivals Aprilia's V4. Still prefer the narrower profile you get with a V4. How does insurance compare between the MT-10 and Tuono V4?
 
bigpoppa said:
Had a bit of an epiphany after riding the tuono, about how crazy good the AT is...that bike can legit do it all on the street.

It can do sport, it can do tour, it can do dirt, it can putter around yonge street for 4 hours in traffic on a hot summers day with no clutch lever and 0 complaints. So comfy and so easy in all enviornments.

My left forearm was sore the next day, I suspect the aggressive forward lean and the heavy clutch on the tuono + downtown toronto traffic was responsible.
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Saying stuff like this may not be good for me. Maybe a AT is in my future.
 
sburns said:
Saying stuff like this may not be good for me. Maybe a AT is in my future.
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We're about the same height I think so it will fit you good, definitely get the DCT, its SO GOOD! Especially in urban environments...no stalls, no false neutrals, no feathering the clutch 1000 times in traffic, no frustration.

You can still go manual with a press of a button if you want for a very tight twisty road, or change how comfortable or sporty you want the ride to be with another button.
 
bigpoppa said:
We're about the same height I think so it will fit you good, definitely get the DCT, its SO GOOD! Especially in urban environments...no stalls, no false neutrals, no feathering the clutch 1000 times in traffic, no frustration.

You can still go manual with a press of a button if you want for a very tight twisty road, or change how comfortable or sporty you want the ride to be with another button.
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Yes we are, and you know every time I saw your bike I was like drooling.
Damit, why keep telling me this, I didn't know DCT allowed manual as well... :unsure:
 
Relax said:
This is why I hate it when people refer to DCT as Automatic. That's like saying F1 cars also have automatic transmissions.
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Well by definition, since gears are selected without the rider commanding a change, it is an automatic. It allows you to manually select though. Don't get me wrong, I like dual clutch far better than a torque converter for most applications but it is still an automatic. The rider has no control over the clutch and limited control over gear selection (and no good way to drop two or three gears really quickly). On the upside, it makes it almost impossible to money-shift (but that is far more likely in a cage than a bike anyway).
 
GreyGhost said:
Well by definition, since gears are selected without the rider commanding a change, it is an automatic. It allows you to manually select though. Don't get me wrong, I like dual clutch far better than a torque converter for most applications but it is still an automatic. The rider has no control over the clutch and limited control over gear selection (and no good way to drop two or three gears really quickly). On the upside, it makes it almost impossible to money-shift (but that is far more likely in a cage than a bike anyway).
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We'll have to agree to disagree. The defining difference between automatic and manual transmissions to me is the fluid coupling vs a clutch. I would say the DCT is a manually shifting transmission with an automatic option just like an automatic transmission has a manual option. Some DCT's have a way to skip gears or go into neutral, but it shifts so quickly that hitting the button multiple times to change more than one gear accomplishes the same thing. And I still see no reason anyone would want to go into neutral when moving.
 
Relax said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. The defining difference between automatic and manual transmissions to me is the fluid coupling vs a clutch. I would say the DCT is a manually shifting transmission with an automatic option just like an automatic transmission has a manual option. Some DCT's have a way to skip gears or go into neutral, but it shifts so quickly that hitting the button multiple times to change more than one gear accomplishes the same thing. And I still see no reason anyone would want to go into neutral when moving.
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Unless you have koenigsegg, all dct's only have one other gear ready to go. Every other gear is a much slower shift (and you can only the opposite odd/even of gear you are using). If you are cruising in 5 and decide it's go time and try for 4, really good chance that transmission will have had 6 selected as you were at low throttle. You can improve this by whacking open the throttle prior to gear change so it pre-selects 4 but you still have no fast way to get to 3. Now, they could have skip gears programmed for the bike which could improve this (eg, if cruising in 6th, it has 3rd ready to go as if you get lugged down it can make a lazy change to 5). If you are cruising in an intermediate gear, it's harder to write logic that won't be annoying (eg cruising at low throttle in 4, you will probably want 5, arming 1 is very ill-advised, 3 may be ok but that would make for a lazy shift to 5, 2 would be great for blast off but isn't a possible option). Koenigsegg has more clutches so they can get any gear almost instantly.

It is interesting that many people see the fluid coupler as the sole defining feature of an automatic transmission. Thank you for explaining your position.
 
GreyGhost said:
and no good way to drop two or three gears really quickly
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How quick we talking?
I can downshift quicker on the DCT manually than I can with an old school, fully manual transmission (tested this out at the racetrack)

Dont have to rev match or blip the throttle, and its much faster and easier to move 1 thumb, than 10 fingers and a foot.
 
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bigpoppa said:
How quick we talking?
I can downshift quicker on the DCT manually than I can with an old school, fully transmission (tested this out at the racetrack)

Dont have to rev match or blip the throttle, and its much faster and easier to move 1 thumb, than 10 fingers.
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That's good to hear. On a track, you should never be so far out of gearing position as you want to be going through each one. It comes up more often in the street where you are cruising along at low rpm in a high gear and want to blast off. No need to rev match all the intermediate gears, just drop 3 at once and match the last one. I haven't driven the Honda dct. On car dct's I have driven, there is no contest in that scenario and dct is slower. When moving incrementally through the gears, dct is much faster.
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