Anyone running one mirror?

[Brian P]

(b) a mirror or mirrors securely attached to the vehicle and placed in such a position as to afford the driver a clearly reflected view of the roadway in the rear, or of any vehicle approaching from the rear. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 66 (1).

Now, define "clearly" as used in the above clause.

If you have a mirror arrangement that is substandard per MVSA and you get a ticket on the grounds that the undersized mirror does not "clearly" provide a reflected view, it will be difficult to defend. If you have a mirror arrangement that meets MVSA then firstly, you are unlikely to get a ticket in the first place and secondly, if you do get a ticket, you have the defense that it meets MVSA.

Probability of enforcement of this type of thing, assuming you have at least one thing on the bike that you can point to and call it the "mirror", is pretty much nil.

 

[Splash]

Are you still suggesting that the cops carry around a copy of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations to give tickets to drivers?

I thought it was already established they do not.

I guess you've never heard of a CB radio or a Cell phone.

I guess according to you they carry a book with everyone's license plate and record with them?

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I guess according to you they carry a book with everyone's license plate and record with them?

They pretty much do, just not in a book.

 

[MarcosSantiago]

I guess you've never heard of a CB radio or a Cell phone.

I guess according to you they carry a book with everyone's license plate and record with them?

I don't even understand your argument anymore.

You are quoting the 2 mirror rule from the MVSA.
The Motor Vehicle Safety Act (MVSA) is "an Act to regulate the manufacture and importation of motor vehicles".
The entities that are manufacturing and/or importing cars/motorcycles in Canada are corporations.

You keep saying that a regular cop is going to enforce the MVSA on a driver at a traffic stop.
It doesn't make sense.

 

[lostinspace]

I rode 1 season in 2009 with 1 mirror and 1 season in 2010 with no mirrors and never got bothered. I decided to put them both back on 2011 forward as I didn't like the screw holes showing on my upper cowl.

As a side note, never got a ticket, never got pulled over and never got heckled. Now I don't have to worry anymore (even though I didn't worry for those 2 seasons).

 

[Macs]

I rode 1 season in 2009 with 1 mirror and 1 season in 2010 with no mirrors and never got bothered. I decided to put them both back on 2011 forward as I didn't like the screw holes showing on my upper cowl.

As a side note, never got a ticket, never got pulled over and never got heckled. Now I don't have to worry anymore (even though I didn't worry for those 2 seasons).

They make covers for the holes

 

[lostinspace]

Yeah I know but it never ended up being something I ended up getting. That was years ago now so I no longer want to remove my mirrors.

 

[bobjohnson]

I guess you've never heard of a CB radio or a Cell phone.

I guess according to you they carry a book with everyone's license plate and record with them?

Its one mirror. The reason being is that bikes made BEFORE 1971 often came equipped from the factory with only one mirror (or no mirrors). Rather than make those bikes illegal to ride on the road, or require all owners of those bikes to modify their vehicles, the HTA states that you only need ONE rearward facing mirror to be in compliance. This loophole obviously allows a bike made after 1971 to have one factory mirror removed. Bikes made before 1971 that came factory equipped with no mirrors are required to have at least 1 mirror added to be certified for road use in Ontario.

The regulation you are referencing is Transport Canada's requirements to IMPORT or DISTRIBUTE a bike in Canada. These regulations are intended for the sole purpose of creating guidelines for manufacturers to ensure their vehicles are "safe" to the level that Transport Canada has dictated.

The HTA supersedes this when applied to citizens, as the HTA is a provincial law that states all requirements to operate a motorvehicle on ONTARIO highways, which is enforced by police officers either of the province, or city. Just as city by-laws may override the HTA (HTA does not prohibit engine braking, but a city by-law may in certain areas for noise pollution reasons, for example), the HTA overrides Transport Canadas guidelines when it comes to enforcement.

While you would have a very good defense if you were ticketed for OEM equipment specifically allowed by Transport Canada to be installed on a vehicle from the factory, you can still be charged under the HTA if the HTA specifically says you cannot drive a vehicle with such item installed.

Now if Transport Canada had any authority to charge citizens, and actively policed their regulations, then yes, it would be illegal to ride without 2 mirrors, but they do not, as that is not at all the purpose of Transport Canada.

 

[psycho44]

I'm blind in my left eye so having the mirror on my right side would make more sense legal or not.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I'm blind in my left eye so having the mirror on my right side would make more sense legal or not.

So you run two and maintain legality.