Anyone here bought levers from forum member yamahar1 ??

01cbr said:
Copies from china use the cheapest materials, steal the design, and have slave labour manufacturing. I bet a pile of parts come out of spec.......if they have specs.
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That's funny you should say that.. everything is made in China. Even the highest of highest end items.

My standards aren't restricted to brand names. I go for experience based on usage. The guys over at VFRD have been using the same cheap knock offs that I bought for years with no problems. I love em and so do all the guys that have had no issues with them :)

Thanks for your concern though, appreciate it.
 
so ya about the dude who is stealing peoples money on the site....
 
jay-d said:
That's funny you should say that.. everything is made in China. Even the highest of highest end items.

My standards aren't restricted to brand names. I go for experience based on usage. The guys over at VFRD have been using the same cheap knock offs that I bought for years with no problems. I love em and so do all the guys that have had no issues with them :)

Thanks for your concern though, appreciate it.
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Glad to know you block out all those who have had issues with them.

And no, not everything is made in china, its not a brand name thing. There are probably thousands of products you have never heard of made in the GTA alone.

Name one high end item that is "designed" and manufactured in china, cant think of a single one.


Bottom line, if you think your getting the same product for a fraction of the cost your sadly mistaken.
 
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I'm glad that the metallurgist was able to find one good pair of Chinese levers, what about the rest of them? You have to consider that counterfeiting in material specs is a very popular way to save money in China. After all, it's a big part of the overall cost. So yes you may get a lot of good ones, then they find a deal on some other (!!) aluminum, and who knows what can happen. If you get a good pair, think yourself fortunate.
 
jay-d said:
That's funny you should say that.. everything is made in China. Even the highest of highest end items.

My standards aren't restricted to brand names. I go for experience based on usage. The guys over at VFRD have been using the same cheap knock offs that I bought for years with no problems. I love em and so do all the guys that have had no issues with them :)

Thanks for your concern though, appreciate it.
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Some stuff that comes out of China is perfectly good. Other stuff is garbage. It is generally reflected in the price.

Strict quality control and maintaining tight manufacturing tolerances costs money regardless of what country you're in. My Armour Bodies were made in China and they are among the best bodywork you can get... so yes, good quality stuff does come from China.. but my Armour Bodies retails for $900/set. There's a BIG difference between what i have and the $299 sets you see on eBay.
 
01cbr said:
Wow you had to reach far for that one.
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OK, here's some more... :)

  • Anti-ship ballistic missile: The anti-ship ballistic missile is a quasiballistic missile designed to hit a warship at sea. The Chinese military developed the "world’s first anti-ship ballistic missile system", although officials at the United States Navy are uncertain of the weapon's efficacy.[SUP][568][/SUP] According to the U.S. Navy, the ASBM is currently in "initial operational capability" and is approaching deployment.[SUP][569][/SUP]
  • Arteminisinin, anti-malarial treatment: The antimalarial drug of compound artemisinin found in Artemisia annua, the latter being a plant long used in traditional Chinese medicine, was discovered in 1972 by Chinese scientists in the People's Republic led by Tu Youyou (屠呦呦) and has been used to treat multi-drug resistant strains of Plasmodium falciparum malaria.[SUP][570][/SUP]
  • Cloning, fish: In 1963, Chinese embryologist Tong Dizhou produced the world's first cloned fish by inserting the DNA from a cell of a male carp into an egg from a female carp. He published the findings in a Chinese science journal.[SUP][571][/SUP] This occurred eleven years after the first alleged cloning of an animal, tadpoles in 1952, and 34 years before the cloning of Dolly the Sheep in 1996.
  • Electronic cigarette, electronic cigar, electronic pipe: The electronic cigarette, an electrical device that attempts to simulate the act of tobacco smoking, was invented in 2003 by Hon Lik, a Chinese pharmacist in Beijing. The patent for the invention is owned by Ruyan, a pharmaceutical corporation based in Hong Kong. The electronic cigarette consists of "a small lithium battery that atomizes a liquid solution of nicotine", producing a vapor that is inhaled.[SUP][572][/SUP]
  • Heterosis in rice, three-line hybrid rice system: A team of agricultural scientists headed by Yuan Longping applied heterosis to rice, developing the three-line hybrid rice system in 1973.[SUP][573][/SUP] The innovation allowed for roughly 12,000 kg (26,450 lbs) of rice to be grown per hectare (10,000 m[SUP]2[/SUP]). Hybrid rice has proven to be greatly beneficial in areas where there is little arable land, and has been adopted by several Asian and African countries. Yuan won the 2004 Wolf Prize in agriculture for his work.[SUP][574][/SUP]
  • Maglev wind power generators: In 2006, a new type of wind power generator employing magnetic levitation (maglev) was showcased at the Wind Power Asia Exhibition in Beijing.[SUP][575][/SUP][SUP][576][/SUP] Li Guokun was the chief scientific developer of the new maglev wind power generator, in collaboration with the Guangzhou Energy Research Institute under the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Zhongke Hengyuan Energy Technology Company based in Guangzhou.[SUP][575][/SUP][SUP][576][/SUP] Li Guokun states that traditional wind turbines need high wind speeds to start, due to friction caused by their bearings.[SUP][575][/SUP][SUP][576][/SUP] The new frictionless maglev wind generator requires wind speeds of only 1.5 m per second (or 5 km an hour) to start and are expected to cut operational costs for wind farms by half, i.e. overall cost of roughly 0.4 Chinese yuan per kilowatt hour.[SUP][575][/SUP][SUP][576][/SUP]
  • Synthesis of crystalline bovine insulin: In 1965, Chinese scientists synthesized bovine insulin, with the "same crystalline form and biological activities as natural insulin."[SUP][577][/SUP] The project began in 1958, and is considered one of the "first proteins ever synthesized in vitro."[SUP][578][/SUP]
  • Tianhe interconnect, supercomputing: According to Ashlee Vance, Chinese researchers have developed an interconnect that "can handle data at about twice the speed of InfiniBand." This interconnect is essential to the Tianhe-IA, which is currently the fastest supercomputer in the world.[SUP][579][/SUP]
 
jay-d said:
If someone can direct me to this article that everyone keeps regurgitating then maybe I'll look in to it.
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Roadracing World, Volume 21, Number 8 August 2011, Page 102.

Mark Brereton was topped-out in fifth gear on a GSXR1000 at Barber Motorsports Park when the aftermarket brake lever came off in his hand.
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I don't know the full story, but I thought I'd throw that out there. I believe other people on this forum have seen problems where the tolerances for the master cylinder pin were not correct causing the front brakes to slowly lock up. Can't remember who was seeing that problem. I'd just say, be careful and use good quality levers wherever they may be sourced from.
 
mlc said:
OK, here's some more... :)
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Still only a handful of products, which could not be further unrelated to the one at hand.

No of it disproves that china has made big business out of making poor quality copies of existing products.
 
01cbr said:
Still only a handful of products, which could not be further unrelated to the one at hand.

No of it disproves that china has made big business out of making poor quality copies of existing products.
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What about the whole fake Ikea/Apple stores that have been recently discovered? lol
 
Mark Brereton was topped-out in fifth gear on a GSXR1000 at Barber Motorsports Park when the aftermarket brake lever came off in his hand.
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came off, or broke off? theres a big difference. did a bolt release? did a bar break? was it previously bent?
 
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