Yea, and will parade him for a while, take care of him, and once he is old news, he will be abandoned and forgotten.
Anyone following the Snowden story?
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He did. They never responded.
The statements that Venezuela said sound almost spiteful of the US. I wonder if there's any personal gain from giving him asylum =/
I wonder why they didn't give him? 10yrs ago I'm sure Castro would have welcome him with a big fat cigar. I think Cuba seems to be less anti-american than it used to be. I still can't figure out how the Americans built a military base in Cuba
US has an open ended lease in Guantanamo Bay dating back over 100 years. They essentially own that small part of Cuba.
Keep in mind, its not only abut rather the country gain him asylum or not. Its also about what that country believe in. For that reason, he refuse Russa.
The reason he as for a huge list of countries for asylum is not because he just want to go anywhere. The main reason is to distract US. If he give interest to only one (or a few) country, US will focus on giving pressure on that specific country and he will be refused. Its much harder for the big dog to pressure 20+ countries at the same time.
As for Hong Kong, it is not too difficult to understand why he pick this place. And it's interesting to see how Hong Kong play the role. HK has been following the rule and pretty much fleeing him using the legal gap. Also interesting to read media from both USA and HK.
And yes, I wish there are more coverage about what he "exposed". Instead of how he escape. Although its a more interesting story. I guess media will print whatever interest the audience.
The reason he as for a huge list of countries for asylum is not because he just want to go anywhere. The main reason is to distract US. If he give interest to only one (or a few) country, US will focus on giving pressure on that specific country and he will be refused. Its much harder for the big dog to pressure 20+ countries at the same time.
As for Hong Kong, it is not too difficult to understand why he pick this place. And it's interesting to see how Hong Kong play the role. HK has been following the rule and pretty much fleeing him using the legal gap. Also interesting to read media from both USA and HK.
And yes, I wish there are more coverage about what he "exposed". Instead of how he escape. Although its a more interesting story. I guess media will print whatever interest the audience.
He exposed the practices of the NSA's information gathering on Americans. The NSA claims they ignore American data exchange and are only looking for threats to the US across the internet.
IE: "terrorists" working inside or outside the US.
He exposed the conditions under which they could or would spy on American citizens. Usually those suspect in "plots" that will later require a warrant to act on.
Americans actually voted the sytem in under the patriot act and two other acts that I can't think of right now. Defence acts during the war on terrah.
Prism is the evolution of Omnivor/Carnivor which was called several other things along it's evolution including Narusinsight.
It's been around since 1995ish. So, not exactly news.
Expectation of privacy online is a joke. You have never had it so, if you think you do.... sorry, don't know what to tell you other than you're a chump.
That's like saying your cell phone conversations/texts belong to you when you broadcast them to free air.
LOL
IE: "terrorists" working inside or outside the US.
He exposed the conditions under which they could or would spy on American citizens. Usually those suspect in "plots" that will later require a warrant to act on.
Americans actually voted the sytem in under the patriot act and two other acts that I can't think of right now. Defence acts during the war on terrah.
Prism is the evolution of Omnivor/Carnivor which was called several other things along it's evolution including Narusinsight.
It's been around since 1995ish. So, not exactly news.
Expectation of privacy online is a joke. You have never had it so, if you think you do.... sorry, don't know what to tell you other than you're a chump.
That's like saying your cell phone conversations/texts belong to you when you broadcast them to free air.
LOL
Red_Liner740
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No, media will print whatever they are told to print to distract from the bigger picture.
Regarding Cuba not "liking" America, actually its the other way around. When Cuba turned to Socialism Americans freaked out and imposed sanctions. Sanctions that to this day still havent been lifted. So kinda hard to "like" someone who is not allowing trade and making it as difficult for other people to trade with you as possible.
The US trades with many socialist countries, China, Venezuela, Vietnam, etc.
The reason why there is an embargo with Cuba is after the revolution in 1959, Fidel Castro nationalized (seized control of) all the businesses in the country in the name of communism, including assets that were owned by the US government, US corporations and American businessmen. This outraged politicians and corporations and they initiated the trade embargo in protest.
In 1996, Clinton signed the Helms-Burton act which penalized other countries that continued to do business with Cuba, which caused international outrage since the US was now dictating the trade policy of other nations (which, duh, what else is new...)
Americans can now travel to Cuba, as little as 5yrs ago they had to travel to Canada/Mexico and "sneak" in. The rules are getting easier. Obama would probably lift the embargo but he has to much other pressure on his office to really consider it right now. I would expect after Fidel and his brother are gone things will change.
Snowden will settle somewhere he feels safe enough and about 3yrs from now die under suspicious circumstance late at night. No one will be charged.
Snowden will settle somewhere he feels safe enough and about 3yrs from now die under suspicious circumstance late at night. No one will be charged.
Red_Liner740
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This happens every year, everywhere. Its the fact that the wrong people with the right political connections got ripped off caused the embargo. You think a political coup and consequent takeover of a country that did not align with Soviet Russia during the cold war would have suffered such fate?
1959, 54 years later they're still butt-hurt about it?
My point is that Cuba did not sever ties with US, US severed ties with Cuba so the whole premise of Cubans dont like Americans is wrong.
1959, 54 years later they're still butt-hurt about it?
My point is that Cuba did not sever ties with US, US severed ties with Cuba so the whole premise of Cubans dont like Americans is wrong.
You're right. Upon further reading, since 1903 they had a lease on that part of the land. That's some complicated crap
Claimed that little pc of dirt in one of the Spanish American wars in 1898, did the paperwork in 1903 for the first lease.
Cuba today acknowledged they would take Snowden in, but didnt offer any guarantee of safe passage to get there or any conditions of safety once he was there.
