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Any insight on electric scooters for adults?
- Thread starter Riceburner
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"no pedal assist bike has every been remotely 120 kg" see belowEmmo Zone GTS - (Battery Energy kWh, Torque Nm)
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Emmo Zone GTS - (Battery Energy kWh, Torque Nm) - Electric Vehicles Database
Emmo Zone GTS ; Maximum power, kW/h, 7.2 ; Battery type, Lithium Ion 72V100Ah ; Charging time, hours, 7.0 ; Top Speed, km/h, 35 ; Weight, kg, 120.
And yes it has pedals - not shown on the bike but the spline and chain are there
Hahaha. Imagine trying to pedal that thing.
"no pedal assist bike has every been remotely 120 kg" see below
Emmo Zone GTS - (Battery Energy kWh, Torque Nm)
https://evehiclesdb.com › transport › emmo-zone-gts
Emmo Zone GTS - (Battery Energy kWh, Torque Nm) - Electric Vehicles Database
Emmo Zone GTS ; Maximum power, kW/h, 7.2 ; Battery type, Lithium Ion 72V100Ah ; Charging time, hours, 7.0 ; Top Speed, km/h, 35 ; Weight, kg, 120.
And yes it has pedals - not shown on the bike but the spline and chain are there
The Honda Ruckus look a like is 120kg but a real Honda Ruckus has a curb weight of 90kg.
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It's not possible. Cranks arms are ~3" and up and back so your balls act as bearings. It is pedal assist to meet the legal definition but completely impossible to pedal. Any real pedal assist bike is normally in the ball park of 25 kg and looks like a normal bike (or cargo bike). With riders feet on the pedals, crank arms ~7" long and rider in a comfortable and ergonomic position while pedalling.
It has pedals to look the part. Pedal assist means the motor runs to help your pedaling.
All these DUI mobiles are run strictly off the throttle.
At a point I will totally get on board with a zero insurance, license , E bike . If it stays that way , and i think the province has messed the regs up long enough it will stay that way.
Once I retire why not cut my expenses by a couple grand a year? and get around town nicely?
They will get better range , easier to manipulate governors and cost keeps dropping.
And follow zero traffic rules, red light? round up on the sidewalk.
Once I retire why not cut my expenses by a couple grand a year? and get around town nicely?
They will get better range , easier to manipulate governors and cost keeps dropping.
And follow zero traffic rules, red light? round up on the sidewalk.
Tempting until you hit a vulnerable texting pedestrian and get sued for a half million.
If anyone followed the hypothetical issues, e-bikes and their kin would be collecting dust
Much of NA really dropped the ball on "e-bike" regs and that is why we have these heavy, too fast, no real way to pedal welfare/DUI hogs (motorcycle/scooter style).
Elsewhere in the world... pedal assist only, typically no throttle allowed (but there is an assistance amount control), top assisted speed limited to 25 or so kph. What you end up with is a bicycle (or cargo bike) with motor assistance that can be pedalled as a bicycle and travels at an assisted speed closer to a typical cyclist. Still typically in the 50 lbs range (give or take 10 lbs). Much better than just slapping pedals on a 100+++ kg electric motorcycle to "meet" the current rules.
Problem we have, the cats out of the bag, how do we walk it back to something reasonable/sane?
Gov't basically killed mopeds after they had been widely available for decades by forcing licensing and insurance on them. They could do the same thing with ebikes.
I just see lots and lots of crying from retailers and current owners.... so be it I guess.
The longer it is ignored and left to fester the worse it is going to get, as we see now.
People own e-bikes because they can't afford the real thing. Does anyone have real numbers for the dui owners? I think they would be very small.
If i ever come upon hard times, i hope the world doesn't hate me because i can't afford insurance. Just sayin.
If i ever come upon hard times, i hope the world doesn't hate me because i can't afford insurance. Just sayin.
The 50-70 lb electric bicycle can cost about the same at the 250 lb electic motorcycle. Range would be better for equal money (less weight, less wind resistance, some effort coming from rider). I would love cheap transportation that is viable but I don't think they drew the line in the right place. Even when strictly in compliance they are way too heavy to be moving that quickly without insurance. Add in the fact that so many travel much faster and it's not much different that the goons riding dirty on motorcycles. Make them small, make them pedal assist, let them exist.
Technically they are not permitted to ride them AFAIK as a DUI forbids any/all motorized vehicles, regardless of licensing requirements. There is a mix of people that see it as "cheap" insurance free transport and people that while forbidden to drive motor vehicles see this as a loophole (even though it is not but very unlikely to be caught).
BUT, really, they are not in anyway required for either above group today. Pedal assist bicycles (which should be limited to around 25 kph max) are lighter, safer, and similar cost (and in many cases cheaper) than these things. Also cheaper to maintain properly. If pedalling is not possible, electric mobility scooters already exist. These things are a solution to a problem that does not exist, all while creating larger problems.
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A good pedal assist bike costs half as much, has double the range of any run of the mill e-bike and tend to come with cheaper run of the mill parts that are identical to a regular bicycle.
If you can afford a $3,500 e-bike you can afford picking up a motorcycle. If you finance it like most do they are spending $200+ a month in payments alone.
You can pick up what Honda calls their "miniMoto" bikes for $60 a month and add another $100 for insurance. Still leaves you with $40 for gas.
Yes they finance the e-bike only for 24 months verses 72 at Honda. But you don't see too many older e-bikes on the road. But the Honda will last you the 6 years no problem.
Pedal assist to our current 32km/h is good. On any decent hybrid bike you'll go faster then that on flat roads with regular cycling.
Not many recreational or even commuter cyclists can sustain 32 kph for anything more than short distance on the flats but many can cruse along in the high teens to low 20s. Can they reach 32, sure but they are not sustaining it for more than maybe 1 km, likely much less. The fit lycra crowd is another story.
If the goal is to assist people to ride like a normal rider 25 kph is more than enough and adds safety and 32 kph is too much. If the goal is to lycra up and complain in High Park.... then 32 I guess. Also keep in mind fitness impacts reaction time, braking distance (weight) etc.
If the goal is to assist people to ride like a normal rider 25 kph is more than enough and adds safety and 32 kph is too much. If the goal is to lycra up and complain in High Park.... then 32 I guess. Also keep in mind fitness impacts reaction time, braking distance (weight) etc.
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For context, quick back of the napkin on power required for different sustained speeds on a bicycle.... 200 lbs rider on a typical hybrid bike, flat, no wind.... 25 kph requires a ~100w effort. 32 kph requires a ~200w effort (roughly twice as much). While 200w is completely reasonable for a short period of time very few "average" cyclists can sustain it for any extended period. An bicycle style e-bike with a 350w or 500w motor can until the battery is done. At the above speeds weight is becoming a diminishing factor compared to aero...
Pros and even better fit riders can of course sustain 32 and much more for long periods of time.... again is the goal to help people pedal with the average person or to make them KOM/TdF contenders?
Speed limiting to 25kph also greatly extends range or permits a smaller (lower cost) battery!
Pros and even better fit riders can of course sustain 32 and much more for long periods of time.... again is the goal to help people pedal with the average person or to make them KOM/TdF contenders?
Speed limiting to 25kph also greatly extends range or permits a smaller (lower cost) battery!
Go into an unregulated market and expect to be treated with new regulations. Make your money fast and then run. The e-bike sellers have had too long of a free pass.
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