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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

A friend was recently involved with a battery issue in a model S. 10 years old, outside of battery warranty. A very small number of cells died. This caused a balance problem and needed a resolution. While a competent person or company could do cell level replacement, Teslas anti right to repair stance means that there is a single location in the USA that Tesla allows to do the repair (and it was on the opposite coast from the battery). Using an unauthorized repair center is highly likely to result in Tesla bricking your car. A new battery was installed for $23k. Trying to sell the car and it isn't going well. Tech is 10 years old inside and Model 3/Y have current tech, warranties and more range for not much more money. I'd seriously consider it if the car was closer but it's very far away. Apparently banks won't give auto loans for 10 yo ev's as they aren't sure about the value of the security. That limits buyer pool to cash on hand or access to and desire to use LOC to buy it.
 
When my Bolt is 10 years old and outside battery warranty, I will consider its resale value to be a rounding error. If something big goes wrong at that point that can't be fixed with a junkyard replacement, then the situation will be exactly the same as if something big goes wrong with the 9 speed automatic transmission in a 10 year old Jeep Cherokee: Off to the boneyard while I buy something else.

Junkyards are filled with fairly late model Nissans with blown-up CVTs, Ford Focuses with blown-up Powershift transmissions, etc. The situation is no different. "But it was an expensive car to begin with" ... that's nice. You can buy an older BMW 7-series or other luxury car cheaper than a same-age more-common model, because the fancy ones are too expensive to keep running.

It is the same situation.
 
Market cap drops from 580B ish to somewhere in the 70s when the masses realize they are an automaker. Then they may become buyout bait by a technology company like Apple (at 70B they are still way too large to be bought by another automaker) or they just keep chugging on as an automaker? The market cap assumes they become valued as a functional automaker and that function is not destroyed before hand trying to prove they are not one.

When if ever, no idea on that.

My thinking is the same. Wile E Coyote is carrying the anvil further and further out onto the precipice ...
 
When my Bolt is 10 years old and outside battery warranty, I will consider its resale value to be a rounding error. If something big goes wrong at that point that can't be fixed with a junkyard replacement, then the situation will be exactly the same as if something big goes wrong with the 9 speed automatic transmission in a 10 year old Jeep Cherokee: Off to the boneyard while I buy something else.

Junkyards are filled with fairly late model Nissans with blown-up CVTs, Ford Focuses with blown-up Powershift transmissions, etc. The situation is no different. "But it was an expensive car to begin with" ... that's nice. You can buy an older BMW 7-series or other luxury car cheaper than a same-age more-common model, because the fancy ones are too expensive to keep running.

It is the same situation.
I agree. I wouldn't have put a battery in it. I would be very frustrated that repair efforts were actively blocked though. There is a big difference between being unable to find a part (say a nissan cvt that hadn't blown) and being able to find the part affordably but the mothership bricked my car for "safety".
 
I agree. I wouldn't have put a battery in it. I would be very frustrated that repair efforts were actively blocked though. There is a big difference between being unable to find a part (say a nissan cvt that hadn't blown) and being able to find the part affordably but the mothership bricked my car for "safety".

That's a Tesla problem, not an EV problem.
 
Who has the supplier contact list?

Fred

Where's Fred?

You fired him

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Where's Fred's computer?

You insisted he be available 24/7 so he kept it on his own laptop.

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I decided to charge to 100% last night and here's what I woke up to below. I'm not sure I'd ever need that kind of range but it's good to know it's available just in case. That's with about 25% highway, without 560+ easy.

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Ha. You mean that people thought "full self-driving" meant that the car could drive itself? Tesla deserves to be smacked hard for that crap.

It will be interesting to see how driving automation plays out. Humans suck at paying attention to a task when they have nothing to do. Things like radar cruise and lane keep add safety but if the car wants to take over all driving functions, imo the manufacturer needs to take the liability for the operation while engaged as the human is a passenger. The manufacturer needs to look at the entire product including human factors, they can't just pust on blinders and ignore parts of the problem.

"The NHTSA investigation found “a critical safety gap between drivers’ expectations” of Tesla’s technology “and the system’s true capabilities,” according to agency records. “This gap led to foreseeable misuse and avoidable crashes.”"
 
It will be interesting to see how driving automation plays out. Humans suck at paying attention to a task when they have nothing to do. Things like radar cruise and lane keep add safety but if the car wants to take over all driving functions, imo the manufacturer needs to take the liability for the operation while engaged as the human is a passenger. The manufacturer needs to look at the entire product including human factors, they can't just pust on blinders and ignore parts of the problem.

A long time ago, SAE defined levels of automation from 1 to 5, with (roughly speaking) 5 being fully automated under all circumstances (the no-steering-wheel scenario), 4 being automated under most circumstances, 3 being a situation where a human needs to supervise and be able to take over at any time, 2 being where a human is expected to be driving but the automation helps under some circumstances. The distance-keeping cruise control and lane-departure warning systems that a lot of cars have, are level 2. Tesla "Autopilot" / "FSD" are level 2 but masquerading as level 3 or 4. Here's the problem, which was probably not considered at the time that SAE defined those levels ... (we've learned a lot since)

Level 3 expects a human driver to take over at any time. The translation to reality is that the automated system will be doing its thing and then suddenly a situation that it can't handle is revealed, and then the operator is expected to complete (at a moment's notice!) an evasive or preventive operation that the automation can't handle. So you're driving along at 130 km/h on the motorway reading a book and something happens, you're a second away from crashing, "BEEP Take over control". Clearly, that doesn't work. Level 3, or masquerading as such, is dangerous, because it expects humans to function in a way that we don't do well (paying studious attention to a task that requires no routine interaction).

Level 4 allows hands-off operation under defined circumstances. So, what happens when you reach the end of the defined circumstances and the operator does not take over as requested? Let's say the system is allowed to operate on motorways but not on smaller roads. What happens when the motorway ends? Let's say it's allowed to operate in clear weather but not in freezing or snowing conditions. What happens when it starts snowing? The system has to be able to handle a failed takeover-request cleanly and safely ... pull over to the breakdown lane and stop, etc. What happens if the end of the allowed circumstances is reached and there is not a safe place to stop? This isn't going to work.

My understanding is that Mercedes now has a traffic-jam-assistance hands-off system approved. It only operates at low speeds (IIRC below 60 km/h) with other traffic around.
 

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