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Tesla's "Nightmare" Year Off to a Horrible Start: "Only One Person Responsible For This"

Tesla has posted its first-quarter earnings of 2024 — and the numbers are even worse than analysts predicted.
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Tesla is having a bad, very bad year, and it's just started.

And finally, the blame is starting to be placed partly where it belongs, the Musk stink that's turning people off to the brand, and questionable quality of products. It's been evident online in many places including this very thread for a year or so now, and it's now having real world effects.

Unsurprisingly they're trying to blame it on everything else.
 
raginduck said:
What about the others.... How's their EV sales doing?
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Ford #2 at 72k in the US. Tesla at close to 500k in the US in 2023 (about one in two EV's sold).

BYD worldwide sold 3M vehicles in 2023 compared to Tesla's 1.85M.

If BYD can get into north america without being destroyed by tariffs/regulation, there is a big market they can probably grab much of.
 
Har dee har har. A cybertrkkk charges faster at an Electrify America station than it does at a Supercharger.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1775014705222070331

He's using some sort of wonky adapter that provides extra length, not sure which one - the other CCS1-to-Tesla adapters on the market thus far, are shorter and won't clear the bodywork around the cybertrkkk's charging port.

The charging curve still isn't great. You get 330 kW only at 5% - 8% state of charge, then it drops off due to vehicle requesting less.

Silverado EV 4WT takes 340ish kW up to about 35% SOC then drops to 250-300ish up to about 65%. https://evkx.net/images/models/chevrolet/silverado_ev/silverado_ev_4wt/chargingcurve.svg
 
Brian P said:
Har dee har har. A cybertrkkk charges faster at an Electrify America station than it does at a Supercharger.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1775014705222070331

He's using some sort of wonky adapter that provides extra length, not sure which one - the other CCS1-to-Tesla adapters on the market thus far, are shorter and won't clear the bodywork around the cybertrkkk's charging port.

The charging curve still isn't great. You get 330 kW only at 5% - 8% state of charge, then it drops off due to vehicle requesting less.

Silverado EV 4WT takes 340ish kW up to about 35% SOC then drops to 250-300ish up to about 65%. https://evkx.net/images/models/chevrolet/silverado_ev/silverado_ev_4wt/chargingcurve.svg
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"Keep in mind that this adaptor is not rated for 1000 volts". Well that would be spectacularly exciting if it failed at >300KW.
 
mimico_polak said:
Anybody want an expensive paperweight...I mean a cheap EV?

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Desperate Fisker Drops Ocean Base Price to $24,999 in an Attempt to Survive

Fisker has made drastic price cut on its Ocean SUV, with the starting price now down to $24,999. It's the cheapest EV in America.
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Once Fisker fails...will be worthless. But could be fun in the process.
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Trying to understand this. Why would they become paperweights if Fisker goes under? Do they require constant OTA connection to them to operate? If it's just that Fisker itself won't support owners, then this is basically an extreme example of my point when it comes to DIY'ers and EV's - that they're basically held hostage by the dealers. If anyone disagrees, you should all be going out and grabbing one of these deals.
 
Relax said:
Trying to understand this. Why would they become paperweights if Fisker goes under? Do they require constant OTA connection to them to operate? If it's just that Fisker itself won't support owners, then this is basically an extreme example of my point when it comes to DIY'ers and EV's - that they're basically held hostage by the dealers. If anyone disagrees, you should all be going out and grabbing one of these deals.
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Most EV's seem to be very tied to calling home to manufacturers. I have no idea if Fisker runs this way or not (nor if existing connected EV's become useless if they can't call home). Aside from that, if Fisker goes bankrupt (again), presumably service software required for repair will also disappear as well as parts supply chain. It may work fine for quite a while and be killed by something relatively small as repair could be impossible. For instance, even if a replacement part was available to buy, does the car need to call the mothership to code the parts together? No mothership, maybe no battery or motor swap possible.
 
If I didn't already have an EV and that deal came up here, I'd likely snag one.

Even if the software access isn't legitimately purchased by another company, someone somewhere will hack the software and provide updates for a fee ... or, an online community doing it open-source (if it can be done) will pop up to do it.

At current fx rates, that'd be $33,750. Add the HST and subtract the $5k rebate = $35.2 k
 
Regular maintenance parts would be my concern. It is OK if they used a bunch of off the shelf consumable parts like bushings, body sensors, bearings, brakes, etc. (used by other manufacturers, it is more common then people realize)..... but if they did not there is likely not enough of a base for the aftermarket guys to bother. Need brakes, sorry your car is not repairable as there are no parts. Same for body parts after a minor collusion... not enough in the junk yard, no parts from the manufacturer.

The EV specific stuff is secondary IMO as one would hope the battery, motors, etc. would outlast the above. Software updates, assuming it is all working now (and secure) somewhat moot, it just does not improve.
 
GreyGhost said:
Ford #2 at 72k in the US. Tesla at close to 500k in the US in 2023 (about one in two EV's sold).

BYD worldwide sold 3M vehicles in 2023 compared to Tesla's 1.85M.

If BYD can get into north america without being destroyed by tariffs/regulation, there is a big market they can probably grab much of.
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I think BYD will party in Europe for the next 5 years knowing Europeans will fiddle, study, and argue before taking action on China-subsidized cars flooding their market. But eventually, they will move to preserve their domestic automakers.

BYD would see swifter action in the USA -- gov't tariffs are already 25%, so they would crank them up quickly if needed. If BYD wants into the USA, they would need to setup US production which may make them uncompetitive.
 
Mad Mike said:
I think BYD will party in Europe for the next 5 years knowing Europeans will fiddle, study, and argue before taking action on China-subsidized cars flooding their market. But eventually, they will move to preserve their domestic automakers.

BYD would see swifter action in the USA -- gov't tariffs are already 25%, so they would crank them up quickly if needed. If BYD wants into the USA, they would need to setup US production which may make them uncompetitive.
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Or Mexico production....
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Of course we should remember that Japanese cars were once garbage, until they weren't. Korean cars were once garbage, until they weren't.
 
GreyGhost said:
Ford #2 at 72k in the US. Tesla at close to 500k in the US in 2023 (about one in two EV's sold).

BYD worldwide sold 3M vehicles in 2023 compared to Tesla's 1.85M.

If BYD can get into north america without being destroyed by tariffs/regulation, there is a big market they can probably grab much of.
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You think ford did that well? My Ford buddies tell me they've sold less than 20,000 EVs cars in the first 3 months. They have revised F150 Lightning forecasts to an 'optimistic' 55,000 units this year. They are currently running at pace to sell 35,000 Lightnings.
 
Mad Mike said:
You think ford did that well? My Ford buddies tell me they've sold less than 20,000 EVs cars in the first 3 months. They have revised F150 Lightning forecasts to an 'optimistic' 55,000 units this year. They are currently running at pace to sell 35,000 Lightnings.
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US EV Market Passed the 1 Million Sales Mark in 2023

Q4 of 2023 witnessed an unprecedented milestone in EV sales, with both volume and market share reaching record highs.
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Mad Mike said:
You think ford did that well? My Ford buddies tell me they've sold less than 20,000 EVs cars in the first 3 months. They have revised F150 Lightning forecasts to an 'optimistic' 55,000 units this year. They are currently running at pace to sell 35,000 Lightnings.
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The EV that was planned for Ford Oakville has continually been postponed and is now being put out to 2026. There is going to be a lot of unemployed people from Ford and all of the suppliers in a few weeks when then the Edge dies waiting to see if the SUV that was originally expected this spring will ever materialize.
 
GreyGhost said:
Ford #2 at 72k in the US. Tesla at close to 500k in the US in 2023 (about one in two EV's sold).

BYD worldwide sold 3M vehicles in 2023 compared to Tesla's 1.85M.

If BYD can get into north america without being destroyed by tariffs/regulation, there is a big market they can probably grab much of.
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Where did the Ford 72K number come from?


Q1 2024 EVs given as 4674, down 10% from 2023, but that's headed for a 20,000 annual run rate. (Edit: Wrong! This was only January ...)

Mach E down quite a bit, F150 Lightning holding steady, E-Transit up but small numbers. Disappointing, but not falling off a cliff.

Here's Hyundai Hyundai Motor America Reports All-Time Record March and Q1 2024 Sales - Up big, mostly because the Ioniq 6 is available in bigger numbers, but Ioniq 5 still increased year-on-year.

Hyundai sold over 10,000 EVs in Q1 alone. (Kona EV isn't broken out from the regular Kona ... this doesn't count those at all.)

Here's Kia Sales - By Month - Up big. At least 2800 in the quarter. Niro EV isn't broken out from the regular Niro.
 
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