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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

Interesting new sig. Hope you don't have to wait until 2020 for delivery.

Also, there is at least one aftermarket option for wireless charging out there: https://www.pluglesspower.com/ will surely add the Model 3. Expensive, but if you value the convenience have a look.


Thats the nicest I've seen yet. I truly believe wireless charging will be a game changer in the electric car industry as BMW, Mercedes and a host of others are working on this technology.

As I said, If anybody with an Android phone uses wireless charging, they already know how great it really is. (iphone doesn't support this tech yet)


I'm in no rush, but if the Tesla 3 turns out to be a winner as I think it will be (I'll see how all the first production runs and real world evaluations look before fully committing), you'll see one in my garage with wireless charging.
 
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Was at Home Depot today and saw the electric vehicle spots....but the chargers aren't there. They only had a 110V outlet from what I saw (Dundas and Mavis) so I guess you're expected to bring your own charger? Guess you hope no one steals it...

Either that, or plan on shopping at HD for the next 27 hrs while your car charges on 110v.
 
Either that, or plan on shopping at HD for the next 27 hrs while your car charges on 110v.

We both know that charging on 110V isn't going to take 27 hrs Sunny....come on....at least make your disdain for the EV a little bit less obvious! And it's very easy to spend 8hrs at HD....especially when it's near a bunch of other stores...
 
Was at Home Depot today and saw the electric vehicle spots....but the chargers aren't there. They only had a 110V outlet from what I saw (Dundas and Mavis) so I guess you're expected to bring your own charger? Guess you hope no one steals it...

We both know that charging on 110V isn't going to take 27 hrs Sunny....come on....at least make your disdain for the EV a little bit less obvious! And it's very easy to spend 8hrs at HD....especially when it's near a bunch of other stores...

At 120V/12 amps something like the Bolt can actually take multiple days to charge..just for the record. Even the Volt takes between 8-9 hours to charge at 120V/12A, and if you have to drop back to 8A because of a poor circuit it can actually go up to 14-16 hours.

The Home Depot plugs are A for effort, but F for functionality - I've never spent more than 2 hours tops at Home Depot which in reality on my 120V charger would barely give me enough kilometers to drive home again. Not worth the effort to pull the EVSE out of the trunk and be bothered really unless I was visiting someone within walking distance and just wanted some free miles and the car was going to be there a realistic number of hours to make it worthwhile.
 
At 120V/12 amps something like the Bolt can actually take multiple days to charge..just for the record. Even the Volt takes between 8-9 hours to charge at 120V/12A, and if you have to drop back to 8A because of a poor circuit it can actually go up to 14-16 hours.

The Home Depot plugs are A for effort, but F for functionality - I've never spent more than 2 hours tops at Home Depot which in reality on my 120V charger would barely give me enough kilometers to drive home again. Not worth the effort to pull the EVSE out of the trunk and be bothered really unless I was visiting someone within walking distance and just wanted some free miles and the car was going to be there a realistic number of hours to make it worthwhile.

I stand corrected....Sorry Sunny :(
 
Completely lame. Cannot drive all-electric at all, and Honda's battery management sucked along with their entire IMA hybrid system, so they eat batteries. The Volt is both a better car and a better hybrid.

How dare you degrade a Honda...don't you know they are the bestest cars?
Over to Sunny to share his insight into the Insight.
 
How dare you degrade a Honda...don't you know they are the bestest cars?
Over to Sunny to share his insight into the Insight.

I won't lie, the Insight was never on my "radar", but some interesting facts about it since you ask.

the original insight was an all aluminum car, built at the same factory as the Honda NSX, and yes it was expensive
The insight was the first hybrid car ever in america apparently
Some models of Insight were EPA at 70mpg, pretty impressive for a hybrid. even by "EPA" standards
The Insight was never meant as a "high volume" car, more to gauge public interest into Hybrids going back as early as 1999

The Clarity? Now that is a car on my radar.... nicest near luxury interior of all the hybrids electrics on the market to date.
 
Completely lame. Cannot drive all-electric at all, and Honda's battery management sucked along with their entire IMA hybrid system, so they eat batteries. The Volt is both a better car and a better hybrid.

According to 2008 statistics, out of 100,000 Insights sold, fewer than 200 batteries failed....


not sure why you guys are picking on the Insight, but for a vehicle that came out in 1999 or about 18 years ago, when nobody even new what the heck a HYBRID was, it was pretty advanced for its time with its unheard of high mileage figures, and all aluminum construction.
 
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According to 2008 statistics, out of 100,000 Insights sold, fewer than 200 batteries failed....


not sure why you guys are picking on the Insight, but for a vehicle that came out in 1999 or about 18 years ago, when nobody even new what the heck a HYBRID was, it was pretty advanced for its time with its unheard of high mileage figures, and all aluminum construction.

So, I know you picked your 200 number directly from Wikipedia since it was a near copy and paste, but there's more to the story.

You don't need to dig very far to see that the IMA batteries have been a thorn in Honda's side, so much so that Honda actually sent out a letter to a huge portion of owners with IMA/Hybrid Hondas and insisted (starting around 2010, but persisting to this day) that they be brought back for a software update that dramatically changed how the IMA system performed in order to alleviate the battery failure issues. Many customers received this update unknowingly during other dealership warranty or non warranty service as Honda was trying to stop the bleeding, and many who received it noticed poorer performance afterwards - some received it against their will.

You also don't need to dig online into various Honda forums (specifically the insight ones) to see countless stories of people having to get their IMA batteries replaced 3 or more times under warranty...up until these software updates started to be forced on owners in order to reduce the issues, but at the expense of fuel economy and performance.

So, the story you quoted from on Wikipedia, well, if you click the citation link (which of course I know you didn't do, right?) you'll see that it leads back to a dead link. However, I dug around and found the original article (which was updated somewhat) and low and behold there's the quote you mentioned, but the quote is extremely dubious and worded carefully - "fewer than 200 have had a battery fail after the warranty expired" - first, there's no citation for it (so I could post here that 90% of Hondas had battery failure during their life and someone else could find this and quote it as fact just as equally despite being BS) and the "after the warranty expired" is the questionable part = TONS of them needed replacement DURING the warranty period, and that IS well documented, and the software updates that were forced on the owners during the update did indeed help reduce the failures as it reprogrammed the car to keep the battery at a higher SOC.

AFTER the warranty period, given the cost (there's lots of figures of upwards of $4000) it's questionable how many people would actually indulge in a battery replacement in a car that's probably of very low value already (due to age and miles), and just because people decided not to replace them doesn't mean they haven't failed.

And coming full circle, the lack of citation makes that statistic iffy at best since not everything you read online is true.

I assume you've had a change of heart on battery powered vehicles now( given your very first comment in this thread back 40 pages ago was "batteries are due for replacement soon $$$$") given your comments, as well as the fact you've put a deposit on a Tesla now?

FWIW, the original Insight (and many of the early Honda Hybrids) were great vehicles in theory if not battery reliability - they were a good demonstration in Hybrid technology...however, although the Hybrid side contributed to the fuel economy, just downright dismal performance also contribute a lot towards it - the original Insight for example too 12 seconds 0-60. The early Prius models took upwards of 13 seconds - an eternity, and it made it borderline dangerous for highway merging.

One of the bigger complaints of pure hybrids is performance - they achieve those high MPG figures because they're underpowered. One could put a lawnmower engine in a car and it would yield spectacular fuel economy, but it might also take 60-90 or more seconds to reach highway speeds, if it every got there. BEV's have dramatically reduced these issues because of the instant torque of the electric drivetrain - the Volt for example can squawk the tires from a standstill hard launch, but good luck ever doing this on a Prius. Yet most of them achieve similar (or as good) performance figures, while yielding a far more interesting and enjoyable driving experience.
 
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like I said in my first line in post 787, never really cared for the Insight.

but looking it up was quite interesting.

never knew Honda introduced the first hybrid to market, and I was impressed that it was an all aluminum design. not bad for 1999 tech in a non exotic "cheap" car.
 
never knew Honda introduced the first hybrid to market

It wasn't, the Prius came out overseas (as a production model) several years before Honda introduced anything. Not sure where you read that Honda was first to market unless you're talking strictly North America.

If you're not being techincal to "production model", well, Hybrids were around in the 1800's.
 
So, I know you picked your 200 number directly from Wikipedia since it was a near copy and paste, but there's more to the story.

You don't need to dig very far to see that the IMA batteries have been a thorn in Honda's side, so much so that Honda actually sent out a letter to a huge portion of owners with IMA/Hybrid Hondas and insisted (starting around 2010, but persisting to this day) that they be brought back for a software update that dramatically changed how the IMA system performed in order to alleviate the battery failure issues. Many customers received this update unknowingly during other dealership warranty or non warranty service as Honda was trying to stop the bleeding, and many who received it noticed poorer performance afterwards - some received it against their will.

You also don't need to dig online into various Honda forums (specifically the insight ones) to see countless stories of people having to get their IMA batteries replaced 3 or more times under warranty...up until these software updates started to be forced on owners in order to reduce the issues, but at the expense of fuel economy and performance.

Purely anecdotal, but the only hybrid battery I've ever replaced was on a Honda Civic. I've also performed the above noted update on numerous vehicles.
 
Purely anecdotal, but the only hybrid battery I've ever replaced was on a Honda Civic. I've also performed the above noted update on numerous vehicles.

Seems they remedied the high battery failure rate sometime around the 2010 era, so I guess it comes down to how long you've been in the industry.

I do know that there's lots of IMA Honda Hybrids running around with badly performing or simply dead batteries that people simply wont fix because of the cost. The cars still run, still move...they just don't achieve anywhere near the MPG they're supposed to anymore.
 
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Looks like as of this moment I'm an owner. Best I could get them down on was a tad over 20k.


Nice! Congrats!

Do you know if the Onstar is already ungraded and ready to go?

That's a good purchase. Very nice indeed.
 
Another black 2014 in the fold! Congrats bud.
 
Psssst.....it's grey :)
It's really dark grey lol. Car-proof shows some 4G update which is supposedly the onstar upgrade.
Am I getting OnStar? Seems pretty pricey if you already own a phone... I don't really understand what it offers that roadside assistance and a cell phone don't.
 
Am I getting OnStar? Seems pretty pricey if you already own a phone... I don't really understand what it offers that roadside assistance and a cell phone don't.

Mine just turned 3 years old so the Onstar Directions & Whatever plan came to an end. OnStar sent a few letters and a call and I basically told them the same thing (ie. I have a cell phone & in a big city, etc..).

I do still have the "basic plan" supposedly 'til 2020 which allows me to communicate with the car via the mobile app but I just checked on the vehicle status from my phone and it's incorrect so need to call OnStar.
 

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