That's exactly the point. The investments are a giant dumpster fire that will vastly exceed all future potential benefits. Hydrogen is a political game not a viable strategy.
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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?
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An electric platform featuring state of the art Formula 1 and Formula E genes and innovative engineering?
Yes please.
Yes please.
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You forgot to highlight that the package is capable of 1000 kW output. Weeeee.
The team that considers out qualifying Mazipin an achievement?
I'll take a C string F1 team over Tesla anyday.
You're discounting Russell
They're a F1 constructor. They don't have an autonomous design group like McLaren to do road cars and side projects (eg: McLaren Venge). I really like Rob's cars, but Williams has no business doing motors and bits for him when they're in the *******. They should stick to what they should be doing.
Don't kid yourself. McLaren is in dire financial debt last year and still isn't out of the woods.
McLaren sells famous Woking headquarters for $237M
After selling a third of its F1 team last year to raise cash, McLaren has now sold its headquarters as well.
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Gas prices hovering around $1.30 again and forecasted to hit $1.40 or potentially $1.50 by summer especially as the USA opens up and travel is forecasted to take off as people dying to get out hit the road. Ditto will happen here in Canada once we get over this third wave.
Guess it's time to have that argument again.
Price of electricity has increased a grand total of....zero.
Mad Mike
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Thank JT for that - close to 40cents of that is fed taxes.Gas prices hovering around $1.30 again and forecasted to hit $1.40 or potentially $1.50 by summer especially as the USA opens up and travel is forecasted to take off as people dying to get out hit the road. Ditto will happen here in Canada once we get over this third wave.
Guess it's time to have that argument again.
Price of electricity has increased a grand total of....zero.
Prices in Buffalo NY are about $0.86/l CAD, we are paying $1.28 close to 50% more than in NY.
At 1.50/l a new electric car still won't be cheaper for the average driver -- but a good used one might.
It's probably time to talk about electric cars again.
Cursory glance at gasbuddy.com shows an average of $3/gallon.
3.8L to the gallon = ~$0.79/l, plus current exchange rate of around 20% (wow, that's gone down recently) = just under 95c/litre.
Just a few weeks ago with the exchange rate at that point it would have been north of $1/L equivalent.
So yes we're paying more, but that's always been status quo when comparing our gas prices to Canadian prices and a 30% difference isn't particularly out of the ordinary even years ago. Lets not drag politics into the thread beyond that.
While we need to be careful with politics and thread locks, when you have a specific tax applied by a specific government that is roughly equal to the price difference it is hard not to draw lines.
Hopefully when we replace our vehicles in ~5 years one will have a useful battery (bev or phev).
I'm not saying it doesn't have an effect, but I'm saying two different things - one, yeah, I don't want the thread to derate into political mudslinging and end up with it locked after 273 pages and, what, 4 years now?
And secondly, I'm not someone who particularly subscribes to the "YOLO" method of how the USA looks at things environment related.
And secondly, I'm not someone who particularly subscribes to the "YOLO" method of how the USA looks at things environment related.
Mad Mike
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You can't extricate politics from the discussion, JT is imposing taxes that are to drive us away from gasoline and into the direction of greener vehicles - pitched to us as revenue neutral. I haven't seen anything from JT's crew that appears to be seeding a greener car market. Have you?
Or is this simply a tax grab?
Or is this simply a tax grab?
So far I’ve gone to site a total of 6 times. 110km round trip and a grand total of (avg) 1.6L of fuel used per trip.
From my house to site...
From my house to site...
there is nothing to argue about. current electric cars are simply cost prohibitive for now.
Why was the volt cancelled? because it was so good? Let me help you, nobody was buying them.
1 in 5 californians ditched their electric car because its actually a pain the azz to own. things will only get worse as more makers bring out cars, and charger stations get crammed.
The current market has spoken, electrics won't be fully adopted until the price drops and/or govts ban ice cars which is coming.
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If you look at that study most that ditched the ev had no level two charging at home. I agree, that would be a big pain. Thankfully for most single family homes in Ontario, adding level two charging at home isnt hard nor ridiculously expensive.
enlighten me, what makes it ridiculously expensive to add a level 2 charger in california, as opposed to Canada?
I know at least 2 Tesla owners in my area who refuse to pay extra for level 2 chargers at home and go to the local hotel to for a charge.
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