Am i getting riped?
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killerkeith
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OP delivers once again.
Odds are he will abandon this thread and start a new one in a day or two
Buy a used cylinder head in good condition, I dont know what year/model your bike is but I just bought a 2004 ZX6RR cylinder head for $100 recently. To fix a friends bike that had cracked his cylinder head....$100 for the used head + $300 labor for me to replace it for him, and another $80 for a new head gasket and he was back on the road for under $500...
Again you did not mention the year or model in this thread but most bikes I can do a head swap without actually having to remove the engine from the bike...For his bike I did not have to remove the engine, I swapped the head and set the timing with the engine still in the frame...It took about 3-4 hours total....
I have done a few head swaps without removing the engine from the bike
That is your cheapest option, other then replacing the whole engine. A complete engine will cost more to buy and install in most cases. Unless you can score a really good deal
Again you did not mention the year or model in this thread but most bikes I can do a head swap without actually having to remove the engine from the bike...For his bike I did not have to remove the engine, I swapped the head and set the timing with the engine still in the frame...It took about 3-4 hours total....
I have done a few head swaps without removing the engine from the bike
That is your cheapest option, other then replacing the whole engine. A complete engine will cost more to buy and install in most cases. Unless you can score a really good deal
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Buy a used cylinder head in good condition, I dont know what year/model your bike is but I just bought a 2004 ZX6RR cylinder head for $100 recently. To fix a friends bike that had cracked his cylinder head....$100 for the used head + $300 labor for me to replace it for him, and another $80 for a new head gasket and he was back on the road for under $500...
Again you did not mention the year or model in this thread but most bikes I can do a head swap without actually having to remove the engine from the bike...For his bike I did not have to remove the engine, I swapped the head and set the timing with the engine still in the frame...It took about 3-4 hours total....
I have done a few head swaps without removing the engine from the bike
That is your cheapest option, other then replacing the whole engine. A complete engine will cost more to buy and install in most cases. Unless you can score a really good deal
Its an option but still sketchy.
#1 Used head thats any good can be difficult to find
#2 You are assuming that this is the only problem. Could be a dangerous assumption being that nobody has looked (is anything cracked/ are cylinders scored/ How are bearings/how is the valvetrain? )
#3 Your assuming you can find a good used head for $100
We will see how this shakes out. Myself i prefer to deal with knowns rather than unknowns. If it was my bike I would look myself but in this case the owner doesnt have that capability. Starting a project like this without knowing for sure is a leap of faith, Best case scenario your right an all is good. Worse case you buy a head and open it to find far more damage and more money/time wasted. I still stand buy the used engine option.
Either way I am interested in seeing how this shakes out
skapan
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Seems that everyone ignores free advice, maybe you guys should start charging people. One thing the OP probably does not realize is that the quote of $1900 is by no means final. They can and probably will add to it as they get into the bike and find more issues. What a nice little gold mine for them. I'm with you guys, find a replacement motor. But don't do it to soon, this thread is interesting!
Buy this bike.....good working motor, and you get a pile of spares, and some nice aftermarket parts all for the esimtaed price of repairing your old head.:
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-veh...t-bikes-1999-Yamaha-YZF-R1-W0QQAdIdZ428010792
NOTE: In no way will I be held responsible to bikers choosing to use my methodology of repairing bikes, your garage will quickly become full of motorcycles, parts, piles of tires, extra fairings, forks, bodywork......hope you have an understanding wife or are single already,LMAO.
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-veh...t-bikes-1999-Yamaha-YZF-R1-W0QQAdIdZ428010792
NOTE: In no way will I be held responsible to bikers choosing to use my methodology of repairing bikes, your garage will quickly become full of motorcycles, parts, piles of tires, extra fairings, forks, bodywork......hope you have an understanding wife or are single already,LMAO.
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This is the route I would also take, spend a little bit more money in the end once labour is added in, but a whole bike worth of extras. Depending on OP's plans he could even keep the cooked engine, take the time over the winter to learn how to to tear it down, inspect it for damage, try his hand at rebuilding it and boom, track bike he can use or try to sell. Even if the engine is fubar, OP will have at least gained more mechanical knowledge of his machine, and that could lead to cost savings in the future.
Just my 0.02
That is definitely a possibility, and if so I hope he is honest in the kijiji ad
lol
Dresden
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Don't forget - "never stunted, oil changed every 2,999 kms - full synthetic - this is my baby bro"
Its an option but still sketchy.
#1 Used head thats any good can be difficult to find
#2 You are assuming that this is the only problem. Could be a dangerous assumption being that nobody has looked (is anything cracked/ are cylinders scored/ How are bearings/how is the valvetrain? )
#3 Your assuming you can find a good used head for $100
We will see how this shakes out. Myself i prefer to deal with knowns rather than unknowns. If it was my bike I would look myself but in this case the owner doesnt have that capability. Starting a project like this without knowing for sure is a leap of faith, Best case scenario your right an all is good. Worse case you buy a head and open it to find far more damage and more money/time wasted. I still stand buy the used engine option.
Either way I am interested in seeing how this shakes out
I'm only going off the info given by the owner
Obviously he should remove the head and inspect damage before buying a used one. That is exactly what I did for my friend. And myself a few times already. In our case 4 times already a new head and gasket was all it they needed
I have also replaced my complete engine a few times already with used engines, usually with good results. However that is also a sketchy thing because you never know what your getting, and rarely get to hear or see the engine even run before you buy it. I have many bad stories of engine purchases that ended up being duds. Luckily I have been able to buy a few engines and one of the heads off AC on here who is very reliable
So the rebuild isn't a bad option, if its doable after the initial tear down/inspection
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Just ever so slightly off.
for sale: Super clean mint YZFR1000. pro riden, never stunted. minor engine tick and burns a bit of antifreeze but runs grate. a steal at $5000
You have to make sure to use, and not use, and have, and not have proper spelling and punctuation, respectively - all the while representing the bike as near new condition. lol
OP, you've been given mostly good advice here. My two cents is find a non dealer shop, most can even help source an engine ( they know where to look), they will charge you for the time they spend.
Dont price it out at 15 shops, they are busy enough without time wasters. Your engine will run possibly run fine with a new head. FOR A WHILE. cooked motors will show all kinds of problems one after the other for years. All those precision fit alloy parts dont like heat much.
The scope of work is beyond your current skills, cut your losses and give it to a decent independant shop, suck up the 2K bar tab.
Dont price it out at 15 shops, they are busy enough without time wasters. Your engine will run possibly run fine with a new head. FOR A WHILE. cooked motors will show all kinds of problems one after the other for years. All those precision fit alloy parts dont like heat much.
The scope of work is beyond your current skills, cut your losses and give it to a decent independant shop, suck up the 2K bar tab.
Step 1.) spend the $50-$100 (or you can probably find it online for free) for the service manual if you've never done this before.
Step 2.) buy a used motor for the same reasons everyone else has posted. That $1900 could quickly turn into a much larger price tag and headache.
Step 3.) buy a case of beer and ask a friend to come by for a saturday. Motor first, then beer.
Step 2.) buy a used motor for the same reasons everyone else has posted. That $1900 could quickly turn into a much larger price tag and headache.
Step 3.) buy a case of beer and ask a friend to come by for a saturday. Motor first, then beer.
