Alleged Auschwitz guard, 93, arrested in Germany

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You know what they say...No crime goes unpunished....unless you get away with it
 
As a soldier, the most noble way to go is being shot
 
Serbian. Grew up in Belgrade, the city that was levelled multiple times in both wars by all sides of the conflict. Grandfather was in Auschwitz for several years, as was my wife's grandfather.. both with numbered tattoos for proof. My people were also one of the only in the region to vehemently fight the nazis all throughout the second world war, while all our neighbours joined with the Germans to have easy passage.


So I'll say it again: it was war, get over it. My grandfather got over it, as did my wife's. The only people still laying guilt trips about WW2 are those still trying to financially benefit from it. The rest of the world moved on.

Thanks for asking.
 
mmmnaked said:
So I'll say it again: it was war, get over it. My grandfather got over it, as did my wife's. The only people still laying guilt trips about WW2 are those still trying to financially benefit from it. The rest of the world moved on.

Thanks for asking.
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thats intese.. I'd be suprised if anyone " Got Over " a few years in a death camp. they've probably burried it so deep in their psyche they think it didnt even happen.


I dont think the rest of the world has moved on, either.
 
My take on the situation:

You commit murder, you're responsible for it for the rest of your life. He was involved in mass extermination, whatever his role was, it sure as hell wasn't opposition. The crimes committed in camps like Auschwitz and Jasenovac go way beyond plain murder and while many guilty parties got to live out their lives in the Americas, when one gets caught, he gets to pay for what he did. They are not being punished for fighting in a war, they are being punished for exterminating helpless civilians. My gramps had a short stint in a concentration camp but lucked out that a German bigwig he went to a French military school came across and had him released. Ended up serving as a medic for the commies - even got to pop a few Germans. He wasn't in a forgiving mood :cool:
 
bunmanchi said:
thats intese.. I'd be suprised if anyone " Got Over " a few years in a death camp. they've probably burried it so deep in their psyche they think it didnt even happen.


I dont think the rest of the world has moved on, either.
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Tell me about YOUR background now please and how many immediate family members you had fighting in World War 2, and how many were in Auschwitz. Perhaps you know more about my grandfathers and their feelings than I do....
 
FiReSTaRT said:
My take on the situation:

You commit murder, you're responsible for it for the rest of your life. He was involved in mass extermination, whatever his role was, it sure as hell wasn't opposition. The crimes committed in camps like Auschwitz and Jasenovac go way beyond plain murder and while many guilty parties got to live out their lives in the Americas, when one gets caught, he gets to pay for what he did. They are not being punished for fighting in a war, they are being punished for exterminating helpless civilians. My gramps had a short stint in a concentration camp but lucked out that a German bigwig he went to a French military school came across and had him released. Ended up serving as a medic for the commies - even got to pop a few Germans. He wasn't in a forgiving mood :cool:
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What difference does the method of murder make? Belgrade was carpet bombed by both Allied and Axis forces and countless lives lost... countless CIVILIAN lives lost. Did any of those pilots or military commanders ever go on to face justice? It was a nasty war, and the kill orders came from top command.

Some 90-yearold who stood guard at a fence (or served as a cook) 60 years ago is being arrested for it today? That sounds preposterous to me.
 
mmmnaked said:
Tell me about YOUR background now please and how many immediate family members you had fighting in World War 2, and how many were in Auschwitz. Perhaps you know more about my grandfathers and their feelings than I do....
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No immediate family members in death camps, Although they all fought in the war. Though I asked numerous time, they never wanted to talk about it.

I do know, however, that their Feelings about the nazi deathcamps made them Angry.
 
My grandfather, and my wife's grandfather, both lived happy and content lives into their 80s. They got over it. They didn't chase reparations or entitlements for their suffering... they moved on with their lives and put the ugly past behind them. They were unfortunate enough to have been born into the generation that fought in WWII and that's all there is to it. The strong move on, the weak fall apart, and the conniving chase benefits.
 
mmmnaked said:
What difference does the method of murder make? Belgrade was carpet bombed by both Allied and Axis forces and countless lives lost... countless CIVILIAN lives lost. Did any of those pilots or military commanders ever go on to face justice? It was a nasty war, and the kill orders came from top command.

Some 90-yearold who stood guard at a fence (or served as a cook) 60 years ago is being arrested for it today? That sounds preposterous to me.
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Let's say bank robbers kill a bunch of clients. Their wheelman is an accessory and will be held responsible for it whenever he gets caught even at the age of 90. Our society treats certain crimes like murder as unforgivable.
 
Except this isn't a bank robbery, but a global war. I understand chasing high ranking officers and commanders for war crimes, but some grunt who was following orders? And apparently just a cook or a guard? Shouldn't even register on the radar, IMO.
 
bunmanchi said:
Just out of curiosity.. what are your backgrounds ? and can you answer honestly ?
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My family background is pretty much 100% German.
Some of my extended family served in the war for the German army. They were not the SS.
The city they lived in was flattened. The area my grandmother last lived in had nothing left - well away from any industrial or military installations.

One thing that very rarely gets touched on -- the majority of the soldiers DID NOT want to be stationed at the concentration and death camps. They were assigned, just like any other post. If a guard DID NOT do what the SS or commanding officers demanded, they were shot dead - on the spot.

If this fellow who is going to be charged was indeed a guard who followed orders simply to stay alive, I hope they are lenient. If he was not there under those circumstances, then he deserves whatever he has coming.

As for the "Get over it" and "move on" comments... Quite a few people have moved on, whilst others cling to their suffering and let it define who they are.

The German people, have not moved on. There is a distinct lack of national pride. You will rarely see a German flag flying anywhere, except from government and banking buildings. They are afraid of showing any national pride lest they be branded Nazis.

A close friend related a story to me. A woman in his office came to lodge an HR complaint about another co-worker. Why? Simply because he had a German flag in his pen cup, and she was offended by it. It didn't matter that there were similar flags all over the place in the office - because it was during the World Cup of Soccer.
 
i asked his background, becasue of his get over it quote.

If a German said " get over it " holy crap, it would be total anarchy...lol
 
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