Lol, you're the owner of Calabogie? Also, if "my sort" is the people that open up the throttle in the straights, what's your sort? You're cruising the bike or maybe getting off and walking it? Could you please explain exactly what you find wrong with being on the track with me? For all I know, all I said that I'll take track school on my bike and I will also wot in the straight---what exactly is wrong with that? I feel like I'm like most other people out there, no? Please explain Mr. Fiery Almighty with the mad skillZ
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Lol, you're the owner of Calabogie? Also, if "my sort" is the people that open up the throttle in the straights, what's your sort? You're cruising the bike or maybe getting off and walking it? Could you please explain exactly what you find wrong with being on the track with me? For all I know, all I said that I'll take track school on my bike and I will also wot in the straight---what exactly is wrong with that? I feel like I'm like most other people out there, no? Please explain Mr. Fiery Almighty with the mad skillZ
Reality people is that we need new riders. The sport depends on it. What track day provider,, can afford to run a track day with 20 people. Calabogie you need a lot to break even. So the reality is we need new riders,,,,,How "we" deal with it is directly related to the success. So if some one wishes to run their own bike we need to ensure they are competant and understand "stuff" happens. So even because it is a straight line does not mean that is the easy part. In fact the straight line is hardest for new riders becasue they do not look far enough ahead. So education is the key,,,by the track day provider and,,, yes,,,,all the people involved!
In order for this to grow and offer "You" more options we really need to address how we deal with this. And just becasue some one opts to ride a 125,, does not mean that stupidity is left at the front gate!
In order for this to grow and offer "You" more options we really need to address how we deal with this. And just becasue some one opts to ride a 125,, does not mean that stupidity is left at the front gate!
I appreciate your comment. It totally makes sense! And rest assured---I (and hopefully most other new track riders) are sane enough to know that it's just a few square cm of rubber on the ground that keeps the shiny part up, so I must be really stupid to really push the bike to redlines through all gears in the straight right away. My understanding is that I should start slow and incrementally push more and more until I find a place to stop (certainly not what my beginners mind might think is the limit, but well in advance of that point).
I'll be taking TMP intro to track day on my own bike (and it's not even a SS to begin with!). TMP it is because it's very close to home (30 mins or so). A trip to Calabogie might have been exciting, but since I've been "banned" from there by that big shot Fiery, that track won't be getting my or my buddies money anytime soon, there's plenty of other tracks to experience.
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Hey there is lots of room at Calabogie,,5.02 Kilometers,, everyone deserves a treat once a year! As well Pro 6 has some great coaches to help you get around at your pace. Lots of room if we all play nice.
You need to understand that you're new and don't know anything. I really mean that.
Most people show up to a road course to learn how to take corners quickly and they enjoy the "turning". You seem more interested in tip-toe-ing through the corners just to get to the next straight section so you can open it up. You seem more interested in the straights. As such there's a good chance your riding will be unpredictable, and that in itself makes you hazardous to other riders on the track. The attitude you've shown in your posts tells me that you're not even really interested in improving that aspect of your riding either.
Corsasa,
Might be more up your alley, if you are just looking to do a couple of TD's with your mates and nothing more.
http://www.reddawnentertainment.com/
Do a search first on GTAM about their trackdays, different strokes for different folks.
Might be more up your alley, if you are just looking to do a couple of TD's with your mates and nothing more.
http://www.reddawnentertainment.com/
Do a search first on GTAM about their trackdays, different strokes for different folks.
TLDeano
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A few yrs back I did a trackday at Shany on my 06gixr1000 and there was Dayrl, jetting his cute little 250 on top of a picnic table.
I didnt know who he was, and continued to freindly tease him about his cute little bike and why comes to a trackday to do mechanical on his bike.
He came out to ride with me after his bike was tuned.
After that I didnt tease him about his little bike anymore.
The cornerspeed was inbelievable and that even made up for the deficit on the straights. Very fast laps.
stormcat
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Apparently beginner/green level track riders are unwelcome. I believe that whole dramatic fiasco can be found in the "Crashes" section of this forum for anyone interested.
A special bunch that allowed stunters on the track that kept on crashing and forcing everyone off...
Were they were offering a level of combat training on the track?
From what I saw the marshals were not doing their jobs even after the complains coming in...the bunch that was stunting also had open containers of alcohol... so yea real special.
Apparently is the key word. Do you know for a fact about green level riders or is it hearsay?
As I mentioned different strokes for different folks.
Every form of motor-sports has its apparent dangers, it's up to you to make an informed decision on what is right for you. Hence I posted the search for red dawn in my post.
stormcat
Well-known member
I was being sarcastic. But judging by 08CBR1000's first rate ******* remarks to me, unless you're at an intermediate level at minimum, you don't "belong" at a Red Dawn day. I would have appreciated it if they had broken riders up into groups like every other organizer seems to do. E.g., Turn2, Pro-6, SOAR, etc., in that riders of different experience levels are not on the track at once. Red Dawn needs to split up track time for beginners/intermediates/advanced so that it's fun and safe for everyone. In that regard it was a huge FAIL.
Red Dawn doesn't NEED to do anything.
They serve a specific niche, if it's not for you, don't go.
As you've indicated, there are a number of other organizations that provide the service YOU are looking for.
They serve a specific niche, if it's not for you, don't go.
As you've indicated, there are a number of other organizations that provide the service YOU are looking for.
redridernl
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I really wish that guy would change his name...
Thanks. The more I read, the more I get hooked on doing track time PROPERLY, that is, taking the courses, going slow and small and only once that is mastered, to move up. Coming back to my original argument: while I still don't think I'll ever do track on 125, I think I'll enjoy it on a 250. I'm interested in the proper cornering, in fact, there isn't better fun than doing spirited riding in the twisty back roads around here, so sorry if I let everyone think I'm just a junkie just for wot...cause I'm not...at least not more than all of us
Also, I've looked up Fiery, and I'd like to apologize to him about some of the remarks I threw his way in this thread. It's easy to misjudge somebody on the Internet, but after doing a bit of research I realize that he is indeed concerned about the safety of everyone, and he is indeed a very skilled and advanced rider. And who knows, one day I might find my way up at Calabogie, and I'd love to meet him and show him that I'm far from being an aggressive and somewhat an arrogant prick that has no respect for safety and riding properly, something I'm afraid I might have led people to believe here.
Now i'm even more concerned about being on a track with you if your judgement is this far off.
I'm not at the standard you say. But I hang around with some very skilled and advanced riders and that constantly motivates me. Riding with them and sitting and listening to them means that every time I go out on the track I learn and that's the attitude you need to have as well (even when you're on here you can learn). Pretty soon you'll be bored with pinning it on the straights and you'll be using the straights as a chance to get your head right for the next lap and rest up your arms. As has been said the corners are where it's at. Overtaking on the straight is a cc thing. Overtaking into, during or exiting a corner is a skill thing.I'm gald you want to learn and build up your skill. It's the best way. After 20+ years of street riding my first track visit was very humbling indeed. I had to go back to basics and learn a very different set of skills. The majority on here simply want new track riders to do the same, for their and your safety and for your enjoyment. Like Bickle said (right again John), the industry needs new riders all the time and rather than frightening you off or "banning" you from Calabogie, I should also have been encouraging you to come out and learn. I'm always happy to help people if I can. It's the ones that don't respond to help that tend to get left alone in the paddocks to fend for theirselves. And no I don't own Calabogie. I ****ing wish!!
Most times on the internet people respond the way they're talked to so seeing as I started the nasty talk it's all good.
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