That's exactly what was ment by darkavs post. All comes down to emergency situation and liability! There
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A wild idea to protect bikes in a condo
- Thread starter codemonk
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That's exactly what was ment by darkavs post. All comes down to emergency situation and liability! There
codemonk
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I don't understand this legally , but I'm just a stupid software guy
The system needs probably at least 10-20 users to be financially viable. The good thing is that it is not limited to just bikes. Fobs can be placed in cars or bicycles too. Also extra money can be made by renting fobs to overnight visitors.
codemonk
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In a true emergency you do not drive a car but call an ambulance. If you are able to walk down to the garage and drive your car then you are capable to make alternative arrangements such as calling a cab.
You example would play out like the following:
- Thief steals bike in the middle of the day.
- He tries to exit the building but door does not open. He panics and abandons cube van blocking the exit, takes the keys from the ignition, and runs.
- Building security calls the police and locks the door from the garage to the building executing whatever security protocols they have.
- Multiple Police units rush to the building looking for the fleeing suspects on the streets and securing the underground garage.
- The very pregnant lady on her way to the garage is advised by the concierge / super / security guard at the elevator that the garage is closed for a crime scene investigation and she takes a cab to the hospital.
A blocked driveway is sure a major inconvinience for everyone but the same rules would apply to this system as to any other systems that allows remote disablement of a vehicle.
My concern would be those people who are stuck inside the garage with the thief so maybe locking the building doors from the garage is not the right thing to do.
kiwi
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OP, nice idea. With some tuning it could be a viable security option. You could use Kickstarter to fund this idea. But you'll need a hardware guy and some marketing person to help you..
BTW - catch is they could follow another vehicle out..
Better Idea is an alarm that when triggers connects to a WiFi point in the parking and calls the ****en security guard up to wake the **** up and take a ****en look at their cameras and lock the doors - call the cops.
BTW - catch is they could follow another vehicle out..
Better Idea is an alarm that when triggers connects to a WiFi point in the parking and calls the ****en security guard up to wake the **** up and take a ****en look at their cameras and lock the doors - call the cops.
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codemonk
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The beauty of these fobs is that you can tell their distance in almost real time up to 150 feets. This means that the gate can be locked even before they get near to it. So if the thief's try to get out by following another car closely both of them get blocked. So now the prosecutor have at least one live witnesses to the crime not just video.
Of course the security guard gets an alarm .....
MarcosSantiago
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My example is worst case scenario, so it should play like worst case scenario - building security stumbles and there are no multiple police units to save the day. There is no other exit, and that day all the tow trucks in Toronto were busy.
It is worst case scenario, so the lady is also a lawyer. She can sue, and she can do it on her free time, but the condo corp. has to pay $90,000 in legal fees over 3 years.
It is worst case scenario, so it plays like the lady wins in court at the end, 'cause the judge says the alarm system endangered life and property. The pregnant lady wins, condo corp. has to pay $300,000 in punitive damages.
Worst case also includes the cops showing up to your house and charging you, codemonk, with a criminal offense - forcible confinement. Then what happens?
After you build a model of "worst case", then you design technical controls and processes so it does not happen.
Good luck with the idea, it has potential.
I support this idea and would even contribute; I used to work for Seneca's CDOT, as a software developer, which has members (and managers) very experienced with the Pi.
The issue I am predicting (and has likely been mentioned) is getting support from a condo board. The hardest part in doing this is the politics
The issue I am predicting (and has likely been mentioned) is getting support from a condo board. The hardest part in doing this is the politics
If the door only opens if a fob is not present, then any thief who has an RF jammer to block anti-theft GPS transponders will also be able to block the Bluetooth signal. Wouldn't it be better if the fob *had* to be present to open the door? Then people can put it on their keychain. It's a tougher battle with the condo corporation, but this fob could then also be used to unlock doors and enable elevators. People wouldn't need a traditional key when they have a Bluetooth key.
2motors
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I like your idea although another solution would be to take the large parking spots in the condo and put brick walls around it and a door with a intense lock system that you have access to. Then not only would it be hard to steal a bike but you wouldn't be able to see it either
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Thought about that, seems like a pretty solid plan, although if thieves manage to scope you out they're just gonna drive YOUR van away. That'd feel ******.
I know a condo where visitors have to have their cars valet parked and wait in the lobby for the tenant to come take them upstairs.
I don't know what residents have to do, I'm assuming they have a card registered to their name. If they want to give the card to the van fine but now there is an association to a resident and a crime.
Valet parking works for visitors.
I don't know what residents have to do, I'm assuming they have a card registered to their name. If they want to give the card to the van fine but now there is an association to a resident and a crime.
Valet parking works for visitors.
Very interesting idea, congrats to someone thinking out the box trying to address these issues. It sounds a bit overcomplicated, most people are too lazy to actually remove a device from they're vehicle before they drive; I could see this being a potential problem. Getting the condo board, the tenants, and management to all agree on this non field tested equipment will be an uphill battle.
A fast close gate (one vehicle at a time) and exit and entrance controlled by fob should be fairly simple to get implemented in your building.
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dieselxx
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I think it is a good idea. However why can't condo builders just put in an eye hook anchor at the back of every parking space when they are pouring the concrete forms. It's inexpensive.
Yes the bike can still be stolen with bolt cutters or a grinder but at least you could wrap a chain around the bike to make a little safer and more tedious for thieves to take.
Yes the bike can still be stolen with bolt cutters or a grinder but at least you could wrap a chain around the bike to make a little safer and more tedious for thieves to take.
Too many "what ifs"... same if the garage door cable could've snapped or just something dented the rail preventing the door from opening, what happens then? I see this as a non-issue. If the guards are paying attention to the cam every so often, he/she will know there's a vehicle blocking the entrance/exit.
OP, I really like the idea. The biggest challenge I can see is convincing condo boards and property management with the installation. But then again, if the guards are doing anything, they can do away with them and save some money
Bingo .... Unless you have a board of motorcycle enthusiasts, I cannot see how this would be even brought to resident's vote and then you still need good majority to pass and implement.
It's an uphill battle in a market where motorcyclists don't mean much, simply the condos don't need you and your motorcycle, they simply don't care at this point. Pool and quality and temperature of water is what will raise an absolute hell, not that a bike or two were stolen .... just my 0.02.
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