TK4
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Uh, none of them can vote until they're citizens.
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TK4
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Trickle down economics has never worked - Reagan proved that. Corporate socialism is what that is, nothing more and nothing less.
I like Poilievre as a comedian to make fun of JT. Volodymyr Zelenskyy was a comedian that became a leader. I would love it if PP did the same.
TK4
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Always looking on the bright side, aren't you ?
Here's another CBC article on it that I haven't read yet: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/international-student-timeline-1.6947913
Canadore throws stranded students off its property. Left without shelter
Despite promises from Canadore, students are forced to put up tents for shelter, but the college denies them space to do so and they sleep on asphalt
www.sudbury.com
"Jaskirat Singh, from Punjab, India, says they plan to stay in the tent as long as they have to" I don't think that Jaskirat knows how cold North Bay gets in the winter.
IMO (and not being racist) they should be kicked out if they can’t provide for their own housing and needs atop the educational requirements.Canadore throws stranded students off its property. Left without shelter
Despite promises from Canadore, students are forced to put up tents for shelter, but the college denies them space to do so and they sleep on asphalt
"Jaskirat Singh, from Punjab, India, says they plan to stay in the tent as long as they have to" I don't think that Jaskirat knows how cold North Bay gets in the winter.
Canada isn’t here to give you a free ride. Should’ve done your research, and if you cannot meet your basic obligations….maybe this isn’t the place for you.
I occasionally watch the Border / Immigration shows and it isn't rare for the screening agent to ask how long are you planning to stay AND how much money do you have. They are asked for proof and that should relate to actual costs, not directions to the nearest food bank. Planning to stay three months and you have fifty dollars gets you back on the export bus.
The schools aren't all innocent.
94 students stripped of degrees after finding out school wasn't accredited
More than 90 students who graduated from a private college program have been told they won’t be allowed to get jobs in their field.
A few decades ago one college was pushing extra courses on students while not advising them to do some side gigs. They lost their accreditation because the student loan situation went out of balance.
My brother was studying there on a student loan and his loans were terminated as the facility was no longer certified. Since he couldn't pay his fees the college suspended him. Since he didn't complete his course all the student loan privileges were cancelled as well.
Where are all the well paid civil servants and their oversights?
It's not racist... but I don't think you can blame the students... they're just caught up in it. A lot of them can't really look for housing until they get here. The issues are more systematic.. and some of it borderline on being scams.
Well…if they’re coming here as students sure I can’t blame them. But student visas require the student to be able to have the finances to survive
However, if the students are here simply to get their PR faster through a loophole….different story.
Look at that...whine and complain to the media, and BAM! solutions found!
northernontario.ctvnews.ca
Why can't we have such good response time for Canadians in need?
Homeless international students in North Bay reach agreement with Canadore
Between 50 and 100 homeless international students, some of whom who slept in a tent outside Canadore College this week, say they have come to an agreement with the college
Why can't we have such good response time for Canadians in need?
According to Ontario's own predictions the province will be getting aprox. 200,000 immigrants per year over the next 7 or so years, yet they're claiming we need 1.5M new houses built over the same time frame. A good percentage of those will be families with 2 or 3 kids on average. I don't get the math. Are they planning on putting each member of those families in their own 4 bedroom house, some of which will be on a ravine lot in the Greenbelt?
Please. Most of these diploma mills are private career colleges which don't see government money anyway -- they are just being opportunistic. Even the public colleges aren't that hard done by. There is an argument to be made for universities, which have seen declining public funding over the years, but at the same time I think we also push far too many kids to go to university who have no business being there.
We've also been dumping tons of money into the education sector for a long time. Do you get the impression kids today are better educated than kids 20 years ago? I don't. We in Ontario spend an average of $1,000 more per student each year than Alberta and $500 more per student/year than BC. 70% of the education budget goes to teachers and bureaucrats at school boards. We don't have a funding problem, we have a government bloat problem. Unfortunately that will never get fixed unless you break the public sector unions that rule the bureaucracy with an iron fist. The last guy who tried was Harris. We are way too far down the rabbit hole now.
OntFF
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Canadore throws stranded students off its property. Left without shelter
Despite promises from Canadore, students are forced to put up tents for shelter, but the college denies them space to do so and they sleep on asphalt
"Jaskirat Singh, from Punjab, India, says they plan to stay in the tent as long as they have to" I don't think that Jaskirat knows how cold North Bay gets in the winter.
Where is this $670 a month coming from?
And do the international students not have money for available housing, or is there no housing available? Those are two different problems... If there's no housing available, the college needs to stop accepting students; if there is housing available, and the students can't afford it (and a quick Google appears to be the second one at issues) - then the standards for a Student visa needs to be raised.
Please. The countries with the most active tech sectors and records of innovation and high standards of living invest in their education systems way way more than we do. You may not have experienced much but I have worked in several different countries on different continents and have experienced different systems. I also know what my colleagues are dealing with in these countries.
Diploma mills pop up when you don’t have investment. Scandinavian countries don’t suffer from the same thing nearly as much for example. Even universities adopt a diploma grind when investment isn’t there.
TK4
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Back when Bill Davis was Premier of this province he kick started the post-secondary technical school program - think Centennial, Seneca, Conestoga and the like - specifically to address the problem of lack of higher education opportunities in technical and skilled trades. It worked and still works, except that Todd and Marci don't want their kid to grow up being a plumber or electrician...
Several things here.
Yes some international students have the cash. After all they have the cash for the elevated tuition.
The problem is housing availability.
Universities and colleges are not in the accommodation business after first year residences. They don’t care about the housing situation. If they have course capacity they will take it because of the lack of government funding.
How to remedy things?
1. Invest in education
2. Universities and colleges should be in the accommodation business. They would actually make money as landlords and provide capacity for students and not contribute to the local housing issues. I don’t know why they don’t do this to be honest as I don’t really see any downsides.
jc100 threw out that some of the students may have the money but availability is the problem and the students don't want to drain their bank accounts staying in hotels. Therefore the problem is money.
Again, where is the $670 coming from? Is there some government mandated minimum account to be drained over the length of the course with suggested monthly costs????
Do they need health and drug insurance?
Speaking of availability, where are their doctors when Canadians are on long wait lists, two months to see a specialist and another two or three for treatment. Some cancers kill in less time. Ontario is the shortest PEI the longest wait.
FWIW a friend was renting rooms at $600 a month about 20 minute walk from UoT Erin Mills. That was pre Covid and he's out of it now. The Covid rules (Screw the landlord) scared him.
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