3 bikes pulled over

[油井緋色]

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Problem with these apps is they require manual input. So if you pass a 'trap' you'd have to go on, register the location accurately. I don't think I'd be relying too much on people's info. It should have a 'trap verification' where if more than one user posts it, higher chance of it being legit.

Legit issue, especially since gloves + touch screen rarely work.

On another note, I posted a thread about ladar/radar deflector/jammers and stealth paint before lol

But on a serious note, as riders, I'm sure most of us will agree that speed alone does not kill. Hell, every time I get even close of being in an accident is during the good old car turning infront of me situation. I've also been knocked over while running/jogging across an intersection because the car didn't bother checking their right side. Then there's the incident where my gf's motorcycle got knocked over in a parking lot and the police never followed up despite the fact that she reminded them to follow up on it. Cops are here to, primarily, make money using laws that have fines, and secondarily enforcing laws that don't involve fines.

 

[Macs]

Problem with these apps is they require manual input. So if you pass a 'trap' you'd have to go on, register the location accurately. I don't think I'd be relying too much on people's info. It should have a 'trap verification' where if more than one user posts it, higher chance of it being legit.

They do, you can thumbs up or thumbs down a trap location

 

[Racefan2012]

Problem with these apps is they require manual input. So if you pass a 'trap' you'd have to go on, register the location accurately. I don't think I'd be relying too much on people's info. It should have a 'trap verification' where if more than one user posts it, higher chance of it being legit.

We have a rule in my riding circle My name is Paul and I dont know ya'all One rider pulls over several riders leaves

 

[JFD]

"Speeding" isn't a problem, it's a made-up offense to collect an indirect tax from drivers. Speed traps are what makes regular people not like cops and they discredit the authority of police.

How can you say it's not a problem. Speed limits are set so you as a driver can have reasonable expectations as to what other drivers are doing. IE if I see you down the road i can figure you're doing speedlimit, and i have time to, say, merge into traffic. But if you're doing 200+km on a 60, that expectation is no longer within reason and you're sure an accident is going to occur.

 

[Noobierider]

I do agree that even though speed are important many accidents occur at low speeds or with drivers being totally oblivious of their surroundings. I trust myself and my skill level whether I'm in a car or on my bike but when it comes to other drivers, I always assume the worst. When I near an intersection I account for the driver being a douche and turning into me or pulling out in my lane. I find that helps a lot

 

[Low rider]

Yeah. It was me and my two buds that got pulled over.
We spary bombed our bikes flat black so that we could stunt and make a clean get away.
We were wheeling down the DVP when they set up a rolling road block.
We could not get around them and then a block came up behind us.
We had no choice but to pull over.
They took our bikes.
Now I have a court date to worry about.

 

[V-Tom]

How can you say it's not a problem. Speed limits are set so you as a driver can have reasonable expectations as to what other drivers are doing.
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Well, no. Most speed limits are currently set for political reasons and have little to do with any traffic engineering.

There are be excessive speeds for given conditions, and reasons to have low limits in certain areas, but these are not normally the reasons limits are as low as they are today.

..Tom

 

[Nyx13]

I've seen more speed traps this week than I have seen all summer..

THIS ^ Been seeing them a LOT on Guelph Line, Burlington Street and other places in the past few weeks.

 

[油井緋色]

THIS ^ Been seeing them a LOT on Guelph Line, Burlington Street and other places in the past few weeks.

So....

Don't stunt/speed on long weekends.
Don't stunt/speed near the end of the season.

Any other rules? lol

 

[Baggsy]

...
But on a serious note, as riders, I'm sure most of us will agree that speed alone does not kill. Hell, every time I get even close of being in an accident is during the good old car turning infront of me situation. I've also been knocked over while running/jogging across an intersection because the car didn't bother checking their right side...

Nah,
I can't agree to that. If you'd said that speeding doesn't cause accidents, then I can agree.

But, it does make them much more serious than expected. Add to that, the fact that most road users don't understand physics, i.e. that the danger escalates exponentially and not linearly and you have your basic recipe for disaster.
Imagine if the car that hit you while you were jogging, had been going 20 km/h faster or even 5 or 10 for that matter.

If you're going to speed. Be extra super careful. Especially on a bike as it's harder to judge the speed of a bike than a car.

 

[PLau]

For people that think it shouldn't matter what speed they're going where ever they are, take this in to account:
If you were going say.. 30km/h over the speed limit in a school zone where there may be cars parked on the side of the road, would you be given more time to react to a kid running out in front of it at 40km/h or 70km/h? The answer is obvious which is why there are speed traps to deter people from speeding in those areas (along with the double fines). (I know many people say they wouldn't cause its stupid to go those kind of speeds with kids running around, but there are some that don't care).

On city streets, it would probably depend on the rider's ability to adjust to certain situations (such as road conditions) and being aware of what other drivers may do (turning in front of you as you would be going faster than expected). Given these conditions, speeding would not be acceptable in the police officers eyes as they would be assuming that you would know what you're doing. Whos to say that you're not a new driver/rider exceeding the speed limit just for the thrill? Which in turn could result to an accident due to inexperience.

As for highway riding though, I would have to agree that speeding (to an extent) is acceptable which is also why a lot of the times cops let 20km/h over the limit slide. Although some cops have a hard on for motorcyclists..

And... Back to my previous post: Would you go a reasonable speed if those rules weren't set and there weren't any consequences for speeding?

What many posts are implying is that there shouldn't be a law against speeding.

 

[Macs]

Yeah. It was me and my two buds that got pulled over.
We spary bombed our bikes flat black so that we could stunt and make a clean get away.
We were wheeling down the DVP when they set up a rolling road block.
We could not get around them and then a block came up behind us.
We had no choice but to pull over.
They took our bikes.
Now I have a court date to worry about.

Ouch dude Street Racing/172 or Dangerous Driving?

 

[PLau]

Well, no. Most speed limits are currently set for political reasons and have little to do with any traffic engineering.

There are be excessive speeds for given conditions, and reasons to have low limits in certain areas, but these are not normally the reasons limits are as low as they are today.

..Tom

Recently, they have been decreasing speed limits in Toronto and North of Toronto cause there were many pedestrians hit this year. I think that this was a reaction by the government to make it seem like "they're doing something about it".

Many areas up North (York Region) have had the speed limits reduced due to this reaction to the point where it seems like they're just reducing speed limits randomly. Ex. Between Dufferin street and Major mac to Dufferin and Teston rd. It used to be an 80 zone but now reduced to 60 with no intersections and there just happens to be giant hill. It seems to me that they reduced the speed limit due to the few cars driving into the ditch between those two intersections and unfortunately dying. This was not due to the speed, but being able to pay attention to the road as there are no twists and turns, just a straight road, all single vehicle accidents.

That being said, I have driven/ridden behind police officers trailing cars on 3 occasions and we were all going 90km/h+ in the now 60km/h zone and they did not do anything about it.

 

[mattcanada]

As for flashing people your high beams to warn of traps or cops, I had a friend that got a ticket for it. Obstruction of police or something. There was a trap that he passed and one of the cars he high beamed so happened to be an undercover conveniently heading the other way.

I read an article (I believe it was about Toronto) that it was ruled to be allowed to flash your lights, reason being is that they cannot prove that everyone that was being "warned" was actually speeding. For all the cop knows everyone was actually going the speed limit prior to being warned

 

[Noobierider]

I have nothing against speed limits especially in school zones and etc but I find it pointless that on highways limit is 90/100 yet flow of traffic is 120/130. Might as well raise the limit and not worry about inconsistently pulling people over. I recall reading an article about a study performed that increasing the speed limit to above certain point doesn't actually increase speeding. Most people that drive fast on the highway are comfortable that a certain speed ie 120/130. If they raise the limit to 120, I doubt there'd be many people driving 150/160 but what do I know :/

 

[Emefef]

I try not to come across as a safety zealot, and I would be a hypocrite if I even implied that I didn't speed. Except for extreme speeding and loss of control, I would agree that simple statements that "Speed Kills" or "Speeding causes accidents" are ridiculous.
We know that at faster speeds, we have less time to react. If we speed, we generally accept that as part of the risk. But speeding does have an impact on traffic flow, which is at a minimum frustrating, and can create danger. Speeding along arterial roads leaves less time and less opportunity for other vehicles to pull out from side streets or driveways, or for opposing traffic to turn across traffic.. Sure, if it's a bike pulling out we have a better opportunity because of the rate of acceleration. Is that right, though? Should it be acceptable because people could just buy faster vehicles? Or should we all be entitled to some standard of "reasonableness" based on the fact that the speed limit is the same fore everyone?
Drivers have difficulty with speed perception. Does it make sense to speed in an around intersections when we know that? Sure, a left turning driver has to yield - but do we really believe that drivers say "f*** it, I don't care if I kill him?" No. They turn because they don't recognize or even see the danger.
I'm not preaching to everyone to slow down, but I think it's important that whatever we believe about the posted limits, or the reasons they are posted, speeding is not a personal choice that affects only one person.
I didn't mention the highways, because I do believe the rate of speed itself (not considering tailgating, weaving, etc.) is less likely to affect others on a divided, limited access highway.

 

[kruzuki]

I flashed an oncoming car to warn of a trap and I got a ticket for 'Misuse of Headlights'. This was 1978. Went to court and got off. But still had to go to court.

Twice got pulled over in New York State with 3 other riders. They kept going, I didn't. They waited for me down the road. I don't blame them. I was actually going the fastest, even though we were all speeding.

Got off with a warning first time, second time cost me $300.00. That's the price of going fast.

 

[V-Tom]

I have nothing against speed limits especially in school zones and etc but I find it pointless that on highways limit is 90/100 yet flow of traffic is 120/130. Might as well raise the limit and not worry about inconsistently pulling people over. I recall reading an article about a study performed that increasing the speed limit to above certain point doesn't actually increase speeding. Most people that drive fast on the highway are comfortable that a certain speed ie 120/130. If they raise the limit to 120, I doubt there'd be many people driving 150/160 but what do I know :/

Lately the trend has been to drop speed limits to rediculously low limits all over the place. The low limits should be reserved for areas that really need them like School Zones. The problem is that since limits are generally ignored elsewhere people don't even recognize that this (School zone) is an area where drivers should really slow down.

If you drive out of town you will see a lot of areas where speed limits drop to in-town limits a kilometer or more from the town although there really isn't a justification for it. Great for generating revenue, but has nothing to do with safety.

As far as people always driving a certain speed over the limit this has shown to be completely false in areas where speed limts are set properly in the first place. Most people, on open roads, will drive at speeds that tthey feel are safe and reasonable given the conditions.Even on the Autobaun in Germany most traffic moves at the 120 to 140 range on open roads.

Its been shown that if speed limts were set properly there would be more complience with the limit.

..Tom

 

[RandomHero]

"Speeding" isn't a problem, it's a made-up offense to collect an indirect tax from drivers. Speed traps are what makes regular people not like cops and they discredit the authority of police.

Even as a recovered cyclist and pedestrian, I think we need a few more serious injuries to put the fear of metal back into a lot of people on the roads today. A little respect for physics would go a long way to making the world safer.

So instead of makin laws to protect people we should just indirectly encourage accidents to teach people a lesson. That doesn't sound stupid at all!

 

[rorider]

The whole speed limit thing has degenerated into a money making scheme. It's not about safety anymore, that's bs.
You get fined by the city popos for stupid **** like 10 and 15 over(seriously!?), then when they're done with you, the insurance companies take over.
When I get a ticket nowadays for something silly like 10-15-18 over, it drives me mad.

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