sempre1
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There you go, you'll be very pleased with these tires.;-)
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250 ninja tires
- Thread starter Aznkid2000
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I hope so
It's for the wife
So she is still learning
But I plan to steal the bike to do some learning two
I rly think it was a mistake for me to start on a Ducati
I can ride it but it more fun to trow the 250 around with out having an ohh **** moment every time to tap the throttle
It's for the wife
So she is still learning
But I plan to steal the bike to do some learning two
I rly think it was a mistake for me to start on a Ducati
I can ride it but it more fun to trow the 250 around with out having an ohh **** moment every time to tap the throttle
LoneRonin
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No attitude or insults, but all I gotta say is look how shredded that tire is buddy...Its a Ninja 250, its speed is limited but to have it looking like that I can guarantee to you it was as about as fast as the thing can go...
I'll gladly listen to a person who has more experience on the bike in question than I do. How a 250 is ridden compared to a SS and what works on 250 compared to a SS is not the same...
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I'm going to disagree with that, just for the sake of argument.
A bike is a bike, with exceptions to the rule. 2 wheels, rear swing arm and front fork suspension, raked steering. Whether it be a 600RR or a 250, you're going to ride it the same way. Knowing how to ride a bike, by knowing how a bike operates, means that what you do on he 250 will work on a 600, and vice versa. You may need to make adjustments to cater your style of riding cater to a smaller engine, or a poor suspension set up, but you're doing the same things.
It's a bit ignorant to say that an experienced racer will not be able to teach you a few things on the track, just because they haven't tracked the same bike you ride on a regular basis. I will commend the way you ruined those tires though, certainly a mark of a hard rider.
Please excuse the digression
LoneRonin
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I'm going to disagree with that, just for the sake of argument.
A bike is a bike, with exceptions to the rule. 2 wheels, rear swing arm and front fork suspension, raked steering. Whether it be a 600RR or a 250, you're going to ride it the same way. Knowing how to ride a bike, by knowing how a bike operates, means that what you do on he 250 will work on a 600, and vice versa. You may need to make adjustments to cater your style of riding cater to a smaller engine, or a poor suspension set up, but you're doing the same things.
It's a bit ignorant to say that an experienced racer will not be able to teach you a few things on the track, just because they haven't tracked the same bike you ride on a regular basis. I will commend the way you ruined those tires though, certainly a mark of a hard rider.
Please excuse the digression
Are you going to ride a Harley or a chopper or a dual sport the same way you would a SS, even though a bike's a bike and you know how to ride one?
If you need to cater to specifics how are you doing the same thing?? First off your riding posture/positioning is completely different, then you're shifting gears about 3x's as much, barely using any brake relying on engine braking or simply carrying your speed through and then you have to deal with crappier less specialized components...
And who said anything about an experienced not being able to teach you few things. I simply said a person whose ridden 10's of thousands of km's on a specific bike with a specific set up probably knows a thing or two more in regards to that bike than another rider who may be experienced but rides a completely different class of bike.
And I didn't ruin those tires, simply rode them how they're meant to be ridden...
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Gryphon
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Guys a lot of riders know this stuff but many do not. So a brief revue.
The requirements of racing, or even sport-riding on the racetrack (trackday) are completely unique and dissimilar to the everyday rider (commuting etc).
The trackday guys are actually working their tires. They will get some temperature in them.
If the tires are small enough and the bike is heavy enough, when ridden hard enough they can start to get too hot.
Therefore you get the 750cc guys and even 600cc guys looking at running 190 on the rear - when usually it's not a good plan for the street pilot.
The reason is, the 600 SS is very light and 180/55R17 is very big, and on the street it's a big challenge to get any heat in the tire.
Remember, when street riding in Canada there is a priority: you need tires that warm up quickly and work well in the cold and wet.
Gixxer 600 etc. guys who come to me looking for a 190/50R17 rear invariably leave with a 180/55R17 (stock-sized) rear after I explain it to them.
The tire will work better for them because it might actually warm up a bit, and provide traction.
A 190 on a 600 SS on the street (50 km/h everywhere, potholes, water, streetcar tracks, sand, etc.) just will not warm up.
And is very likely to put you on your head in the cold and wet.
Now let's look at the Ninja 250.
See, a guy who is maybe not a n00bie but who is a casual rider, and whose wife is just learning, does NOT want to put radials in a 120 front and a 150 rear sizing on a Ninja 250 (for the reasons given above).
They will work terribly on the street! They will not warm up (at all).
They are much too big.
You need a high-tech tire that warms up quickly and works well in the cold and wet. Period; end of story - and those big trackday radials are not them.
Most would be better served by the biasply in stock sizes.
But I understand; they are kinda skinny, and more is better right?
Well there are other factors too, such as physical fitment on the rim and within the front fender and swingarm, and the fact that these big tires are much heavier.
It is all Unsprung weight (the weight that goes up and down over every little bump and ripple in the road) too.
So let's do final revue...
They are physically too big. For the stock rims and maybe other fitment issues.
They are too heavy. The extra weight can easily overpower the marginal stock suspension components, and will contribute to a poorer ride quality.
They are too big! They will not warm up quickly and work well in the cold and wet. They will not warm up at all. (On the racetrack they will begin to.)
But casual riders and commuters are not on the racetrack - I cannot emphasize this too much.
About a year ago I did The Tire Survey for my company which shall go nameless, and I determined that Avon AM2 was the best Ninja 250 tire.
You could get either the 130 or 140 in the rear, they were V-rated for the same price as the other H-rated contenders, and they worked well in the cold and wet (from England, right? LoL)
Things are different now that Pirelli has the 110 front and 140 rear radials.
They are made for all the bikes in this modern, exploding product segment - the Honda 250 (and the newer 125s with the bigger wheels), the Kawi 250/300 and others.
These tires are a blessing; little tiny high-tech radials.
Anyone who wants to follow the big-dollar high-tech state-of-the-art path should go this way.
I hope this may be helpful to some (and maybe some newer riders),
Regards
The requirements of racing, or even sport-riding on the racetrack (trackday) are completely unique and dissimilar to the everyday rider (commuting etc).
The trackday guys are actually working their tires. They will get some temperature in them.
If the tires are small enough and the bike is heavy enough, when ridden hard enough they can start to get too hot.
Therefore you get the 750cc guys and even 600cc guys looking at running 190 on the rear - when usually it's not a good plan for the street pilot.
The reason is, the 600 SS is very light and 180/55R17 is very big, and on the street it's a big challenge to get any heat in the tire.
Remember, when street riding in Canada there is a priority: you need tires that warm up quickly and work well in the cold and wet.
Gixxer 600 etc. guys who come to me looking for a 190/50R17 rear invariably leave with a 180/55R17 (stock-sized) rear after I explain it to them.
The tire will work better for them because it might actually warm up a bit, and provide traction.
A 190 on a 600 SS on the street (50 km/h everywhere, potholes, water, streetcar tracks, sand, etc.) just will not warm up.
And is very likely to put you on your head in the cold and wet.
Now let's look at the Ninja 250.
See, a guy who is maybe not a n00bie but who is a casual rider, and whose wife is just learning, does NOT want to put radials in a 120 front and a 150 rear sizing on a Ninja 250 (for the reasons given above).
They will work terribly on the street! They will not warm up (at all).
They are much too big.
You need a high-tech tire that warms up quickly and works well in the cold and wet. Period; end of story - and those big trackday radials are not them.
Most would be better served by the biasply in stock sizes.
But I understand; they are kinda skinny, and more is better right?
Well there are other factors too, such as physical fitment on the rim and within the front fender and swingarm, and the fact that these big tires are much heavier.
It is all Unsprung weight (the weight that goes up and down over every little bump and ripple in the road) too.
So let's do final revue...
They are physically too big. For the stock rims and maybe other fitment issues.
They are too heavy. The extra weight can easily overpower the marginal stock suspension components, and will contribute to a poorer ride quality.
They are too big! They will not warm up quickly and work well in the cold and wet. They will not warm up at all. (On the racetrack they will begin to.)
But casual riders and commuters are not on the racetrack - I cannot emphasize this too much.
About a year ago I did The Tire Survey for my company which shall go nameless, and I determined that Avon AM2 was the best Ninja 250 tire.
You could get either the 130 or 140 in the rear, they were V-rated for the same price as the other H-rated contenders, and they worked well in the cold and wet (from England, right? LoL)
Things are different now that Pirelli has the 110 front and 140 rear radials.
They are made for all the bikes in this modern, exploding product segment - the Honda 250 (and the newer 125s with the bigger wheels), the Kawi 250/300 and others.
These tires are a blessing; little tiny high-tech radials.
Anyone who wants to follow the big-dollar high-tech state-of-the-art path should go this way.
I hope this may be helpful to some (and maybe some newer riders),
Regards
slowbird
Well-known member
Nice post gryphon.
Do you mean the Avon AM26 Roadriders?
I read an article about best Bias-ply tires and they came out on top.
Do you mean the Avon AM26 Roadriders?
I read an article about best Bias-ply tires and they came out on top.
noob_in_mid_age
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Based on that UK review of tires, i bought the Avon's, can't wait to install them and ride this season on them. I was a bit dubious at first because of the low price but regardless decided to take a chance; can't go wrong with front and rear tires for $240 cdn
Blue_Rider
New member
Hey guys,
I have a Ninja 250 r, 2011. I have the stock tire 110/70 and and 130/70. I'm thinking of upgrading to bigger and better performing tires.
After looking at a look of Kawasaki Ninja 250 forums and exchanging messages with users there, it looked like BridgeStone S20 120/60R17 and 150/60R17 would be a good choice. Can anyone here tell me any place in toronto area where i can get them and have them installed?
I called at speedworx and Flying squirell. They said they wouldn't install it as it was 2 sizes over the recommended ones and they didn't want to be liable. Anyone know any other place ?
Also, is it a good idea to go with these size/brand tires ? Anyone have tires these size and give me feedback ? Anyone have any other suggestion?
Thanks,
I have a Ninja 250 r, 2011. I have the stock tire 110/70 and and 130/70. I'm thinking of upgrading to bigger and better performing tires.
After looking at a look of Kawasaki Ninja 250 forums and exchanging messages with users there, it looked like BridgeStone S20 120/60R17 and 150/60R17 would be a good choice. Can anyone here tell me any place in toronto area where i can get them and have them installed?
I called at speedworx and Flying squirell. They said they wouldn't install it as it was 2 sizes over the recommended ones and they didn't want to be liable. Anyone know any other place ?
Also, is it a good idea to go with these size/brand tires ? Anyone have tires these size and give me feedback ? Anyone have any other suggestion?
Thanks,
Go with the stock size for the front and, if you feel you really need to, go with a 140 rear. Pirelli diablo rosso II's is what I have on mine....they wear fast but are way more confidence inspiring than the stock tires. If you are not changing them yourself, Speedworx is probably your best bet. They won't steer you wrong.
eljay
Well-known member
DIY if you want to do that is the only way to go. Not many mechanics are dumb enough to put the wrong size on, plenty of riders are. Read up a couple posts to see why. Definitely get better tires though. Diablo Rosso IIs worked miracles for me in a 110/140 setup.
Blue_Rider
New member
Actually, not sure right now which size rear tires i should get now for the Ninja 250r.
A lot of riders in this and other forums (http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...idgestone-Battlax-BT-016-Tires-on-a-Ninja-250) have installed 150/60 on the rear and how they love it and really recommend it. Plus i like the looks
But after hearing back from SpeedWorx and Flying Squirell who said not to go larger than 140 on the rear, not sure......
A lot of riders in this and other forums (http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...idgestone-Battlax-BT-016-Tires-on-a-Ninja-250) have installed 150/60 on the rear and how they love it and really recommend it. Plus i like the looks
But after hearing back from SpeedWorx and Flying Squirell who said not to go larger than 140 on the rear, not sure......
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killerkeith
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Stick to the stock sizes. I have had Sport Demons in the past and now run Michelin Pilot Street. The Streets are hands down the better tire. Excellent road manners and grip as well as any tire I've run in the past on any bike i've owned. As a bonus, the vibrations are next to nil while riding.
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