2024 BMW R1300GS Leak | GTAMotorcycle.com

2024 BMW R1300GS Leak

Lightcycle

Rounder of bolts, Dropper of tools
Site Supporter
The new boxer GS is supposed to be announced Sept 28th, but there was a leak at a magazine company, so we all got a sneak preview of what the new MY 2024 R1300GS will look like:

r1300_1-X3.jpg


r1300_2-X3.jpg


r1300_3-X3.jpg


r1300_4-X3.jpg


Looks aside (I'm not swayed either way), it's supposed to be 26 lbs lighter than the outgoing R1250GS, which intrigues me from a performance and handling standpoint.
 
The bmw sales guy after lightcycle finds out about this model:

nintchdbpict0003312330111.jpg
 
Last edited:
LOL!

I clicked on the thread expecting that your GS had sprung some sort of leak somewhere and I was going to see pictures of said leaking BMW in some picturesque locale in BC followed by a rousing GTAM discussion about cause, effect, potential solutions followed by some random anecdotes about other on the road troubles over the years.

Gotta say...I'm a bit disappointed.
 
LOL!

I clicked on the thread expecting that your GS had sprung some sort of leak somewhere and I was going to see pictures of said leaking BMW in some picturesque locale in BC followed by a rousing GTAM discussion about cause, effect, potential solutions followed by some random anecdotes about other on the road troubles over the years.

Gotta say...I'm a bit disappointed.

Hey, this thread can still be a general discussion thread about why BMWs or German motorcycles suck.

I'm not a fan boy of anything and my identity isn't tied to any brand or model. I'll be first in line to voice what I don't like about the bikes I ride.

It seems the last few years BMW has lost the plot, choosing to focus on the pavement pounders over the dirt riders. Bikes have gotten too heavy and packed with features that make no sense to people who ride dirt. They've left the door wide open for KTM and Yamaha to dominate the true off-road adventure motorcycle market.

I am very intrigued at the weight loss of the 13GS. I've gotten a chance to ride the Norden quite a bit on the dirt and it is so much better than my current ride because of its low centre of mass. If this new GS can be a better off-road bike than the 1250, then I'd be more than tempted to trade it in, because I prefer the power delivery of the boxer over the 890 engine. More horses too.

Also, IMO telelever > traditional forks for off-road use.

But probably not going to move for a few years, I'm past my early-adopter phase. Too many new parts on this bike to trust the first (couple of) years of production.

So, in response to the leak, BMW released a bunch of official pictures, a week before the official launch:

img_4961-jpeg.5265869


img_4962-jpeg.5265871


img_4960-jpeg.5265873


img_4963-jpeg.5265875


I don't hate the looks of it.
 
I personally think it looks pretty good. Hopefully it’s lighter and has the lower COG you’re looking for as well. I’ve never ridden one of the bikes in this class so nothing of value to add beyond that.


Sent from my iPhone using GTAMotorcycle.com
 
Hey, this thread can still be a general discussion thread about why BMWs or German motorcycles suck.

I'm not a fan boy of anything and my identity isn't tied to any brand or model. I'll be first in line to voice what I don't like about the bikes I ride.

It seems the last few years BMW has lost the plot, choosing to focus on the pavement pounders over the dirt riders. Bikes have gotten too heavy and packed with features that make no sense to people who ride dirt. They've left the door wide open for KTM and Yamaha to dominate the true off-road adventure motorcycle market.

I am very intrigued at the weight loss of the 13GS. I've gotten a chance to ride the Norden quite a bit on the dirt and it is so much better than my current ride because of its low centre of mass. If this new GS can be a better off-road bike than the 1250, then I'd be more than tempted to trade it in, because I prefer the power delivery of the boxer over the 890 engine. More horses too.

Also, IMO telelever > traditional forks for off-road use.

But probably not going to move for a few years, I'm past my early-adopter phase. Too many new parts on this bike to trust the first (couple of) years of production.

So, in response to the leak, BMW released a bunch of official pictures, a week before the official launch:

img_4961-jpeg.5265869


img_4962-jpeg.5265871


img_4960-jpeg.5265873


img_4963-jpeg.5265875


I don't hate the looks of it.
what? don't they make a middle weight GS? why would you need more power for dirt?
 
Styling wise a slight improvement over the current. The spoked Adventure looks nicer. Anticipating the specs on it. Been considering one but I'd probably just get a used 1250GS or MTS V4S as i don't put many miles on anymore.
 
why would you need more power for dirt?

That's actually a very good question.

The answer is similar to why non-speed demons ride liter-bikes: tractable power at low revs. You get to be lazier at shifting and not have to always be working to stay in the powerband.

My 1250GS has about 35hp more than the Norden. The boxer engine has incredible torque off idle. Hill climbs don't often require a downshift, whereas on the Norden, because of its peaky powerband, sometimes (not often) you'd be caught off-guard in too-high a gear and have to downshift for power.

It's definitely a laziness thing, but you appreciate always having power on tap at all areas of the rev range. Bike too twitchy in the tight stuff? Just upshift... and there's still power in the next gear despite the wide-ratio gearing - you're not stuck finding power between gears. I know a lot of people dial down the power on big adventure bikes when they're in the dirt or in the rain using "off-road" or "rain" mode, but I've been riding long enough that I can tame my right wrist to deliver appropriate power when and if I need it. I also turn off traction control too because it's too intrusive. I like having total control of the bike's full capabilities.

135hp is still not in ludicrous-horsepower territory, seeing how it has to move a 550lb motorcycle. The power-to-weight ratio is still in-line with most mid-weight adv bikes. I don't know how I'd feel about 170hp in the dirt though. Maybe I'd eat my words and select "off-road" power mode on the 1290? 🤷‍♂️

don't they make a middle weight GS?

Yes, they do offer a middle-weight GS. It's the F800-F850-and-now-F900GS which *was* the more dirt-oriented offering: 21" front, taller suspension than the 1200/1250GS. The original F800GS was revolutionary. At 450lbs, it was a *true* middle-weight bike with very capable off-road chops. It was all everyone was talking about at the time as a reaction to how pudgy and un-off-roadworthy the R1200GS got.

However, with the introduction of Euro 5 regs, BMW got lazy about trying to keep weight down, since most people buy GSes to park in front of Starbucks, instead of actually using them as marketed. This new breed of customers didn't mind at all that this "middle-weight" F850GS's weight ballooned to over the original weight of the R1200GS. For original fans of the F800GS, that was a real WTF moment and cemented BMW's "lost-the-plot" reputation.

BMW owns the Starbucks ADV crowd. They sell more "adventure" bikes to pavement pounders than any other brand.

However, they have lost a lot of ground in the off-road market, who sees them for what they've become: a street-biased bike brand which is lazily coasting on Long Way Round credentials established two decades ago. Any off-road group ride I do is dominated by 690s, 890s and T7s. People who ride dirt a lot know what's good and what's not, and the newer GSs have become not good for dirt.

I am hoping that with the R13GS, BMW will split streams with this platform: Recapture some of their original customers by offering a light-weight bike with good suspension and a decent 21/18 wheel offering for the dirt enthusiasts. And still be able to pack a pavement pounder with all the radar-assisted adaptive cruise control, lane departure assist, electronic aids, etc. so the Starbucks rider can just sit on the passenger seat and watch Netflix videos on the 13" TFT screen in front of them and control their motorcycle with buttons like a PS5 controller.
 
Last edited:
That's actually a very good question.

The answer is similar to why non-speed demons ride liter-bikes: tractable power at low revs. You get to be lazier at shifting and not have to always be working to stay in the powerband.

My 1250GS has about 35hp more than the Norden. The boxer engine has incredible torque off idle. Hill climbs don't often require a downshift, whereas on the Norden, because of its peaky powerband, sometimes (not often) you'd be caught off-guard in too-high a gear and have to downshift for power.

It's definitely a laziness thing, but you appreciate always having power on tap at all areas of the rev range. Bike too twitchy in the tight stuff? Just upshift... and there's still power in the next gear despite the wide-ratio gearing - you're not stuck finding power between gears. I know a lot of people dial down the power on big adventure bikes when they're in the dirt or in the rain using "off-road" or "rain" mode, but I've been riding long enough that I can tame my right wrist to deliver appropriate power when and if I need it. I also turn off traction control too because it's too intrusive. I like having total control of the bike's full capabilities.

135hp is still not in ludicrous-horsepower territory, seeing how it has to move a 550lb motorcycle. The power-to-weight ratio is still in-line with most mid-weight adv bikes. I don't know how I'd feel about 170hp in the dirt though. Maybe I'd eat my words and select "off-road" power mode on the 1290? 🤷‍♂️



Yes, they do offer a middle-weight GS. It's the F800-F850-and-now-F900GS which *was* the more dirt-oriented offering: 21" front, taller suspension than the 1200/1250GS. The original F800GS was revolutionary. At 450lbs, it was a *true* middle-weight bike with very capable off-road chops. It was all everyone was talking about at the time as a reaction to how pudgy and un-off-roadworthy the R1200GS got.

However, with the introduction of Euro 5 regs, BMW got lazy about trying to keep weight down, since most people buy GSes to park in front of Starbucks, instead of actually using them as marketed. This new breed of customers didn't mind at all that this "middle-weight" F850GS's weight ballooned to over the original weight of the R1200GS. For original fans of the F800GS, that was a real WTF moment and cemented BMW's "lost-the-plot" reputation.

BMW owns the Starbucks ADV crowd. They sell more "adventure" bikes to pavement pounders than any other brand.

However, they have lost a lot of ground in the off-road market, who sees them for what they've become: a street-biased bike brand which is lazily coasting on Long Way Round credentials established two decades ago. Any off-road group ride I do is dominated by 690s, 890s and T7s. People who ride dirt a lot know what's good and what's not, and the newer GSs have become not good for dirt.

I am hoping that with the R13GS, BMW will split streams with this platform: Recapture some of their original customers by offering a light-weight bike with good suspension and a decent 21/18 wheel offering for the dirt enthusiasts. And still be able to pack a pavement pounder with all the radar-assisted adaptive cruise control, lane departure assist, electronic aids, etc. so the Starbucks rider can just sit on the passenger seat and watch Netflix videos on the 13" TFT screen in front of them and control their motorcycle with buttons like a PS5 controller.
I was going to say, perhaps some time on a 1290 SADV is what you're really looking for!

23lbs sounds like a lot sure, but in the large scheme of things, it's still a pig i want no business picking up in the mud all day long. I probably get asked daily how i like the Africa Twin and what about offroad. I tell them if off-road was my intention there are far better options to be picking up in the dirt all day.

However, in the end, different strokes for different folks. There is no swiss army knife of bikes, just like cellphones; otherwise we'd never buy another product again.
 
I was going to say, perhaps some time on a 1290 SADV is what you're really looking for!

23lbs sounds like a lot sure, but in the large scheme of things, it's still a pig i want no business picking up in the mud all day long. I probably get asked daily how i like the Africa Twin and what about offroad. I tell them if off-road was my intention there are far better options to be picking up in the dirt all day.

However, in the end, different strokes for different folks. There is no swiss army knife of bikes, just like cellphones; otherwise we'd never buy another product again.

The original reason the Adventure bike segment was created was to ride long distances on pavement and then have enough off-road capability to go ride dirt in a far-away place. It's was supposed to be a dual-sport with street-manners so you're comfortable on the pavement getting to dirt.

That was always the original intent. Adventure TRAVEL. Ride a motorcycle across the roads of Morocco and then veer off into the Sahara Desert. No separate dirt bike involved. No trailering involved.

However, along the way, street-bias took over. So you rode long distances in comfort to get to the dirt and then you realized, OMG, it sucks off-road!

To combat this, I also own a street-legal enduro which is my go-to bike for anything off-road, but it skews more off-road and is terrible for the pavement. I normally trailer it to save on oil changes and tires. However, I did spend a month traveling in Mexico with it, and it was perfect for the kind of riding we were doing. Would I have liked to have more carrying capacity and be more comfortable on the (broken) pavement? Most definitely.

These two bikes are on opposite ends of the dual-sport spectrum. I choose which bike to take depending on the kind of riding I want to be doing - either more street vs dirt or vice versa.

But for riders like me, it would be amazing to have that one unicorn bike, which is both comfortable on and off-pavement. Not for the sake of owning just one bike, but to continuously travel on one without trailering or switching.

I believe the technology exists to create such a bike, but until now the market has been too small. However, as more people get into ADV bikes (as evidenced here on GTAM), I am convinced that eventually, these new riders will want to venture off the asphalt. And when they realize that what they've really bought is a street-bike in dirt bike clothing, they might go shopping for something more worthy of the name "dual-sport".

A few manufacturers have already caught on. BMW is late to the game. Hopefully the R13 platform rights their ship.
 
The original reason the Adventure bike segment was created was to ride long distances on pavement and then have enough off-road capability to go ride dirt in a far-away place. It's was supposed to be a dual-sport with street-manners so you're comfortable on the pavement getting to dirt.

That was always the original intent. Adventure TRAVEL. Ride a motorcycle across the roads of Morocco and then veer off into the Sahara Desert. No separate dirt bike involved. No trailering involved.

However, along the way, street-bias took over. So you rode long distances in comfort to get to the dirt and then you realized, OMG, it sucks off-road!

To combat this, I also own a street-legal enduro which is my go-to bike for anything off-road, but it skews more off-road and is terrible for the pavement. I normally trailer it to save on oil changes and tires. However, I did spend a month traveling in Mexico with it, and it was perfect for the kind of riding we were doing. Would I have liked to have more carrying capacity and be more comfortable on the (broken) pavement? Most definitely.

These two bikes are on opposite ends of the dual-sport spectrum. I choose which bike to take depending on the kind of riding I want to be doing - either more street vs dirt or vice versa.

But for riders like me, it would be amazing to have that one unicorn bike, which is both comfortable on and off-pavement.

I believe the technology exists to create such a bike, but until now the market has been too small. However, as more people get into ADV bikes (as evidenced here on GTAM), I am convinced that eventually, these new riders will want to venture off the asphalt. And when they realize that what they've really bought is a street-bike in dirt bike clothing, they might go shopping for something more worthy of the name "dual-sport".

A few manufacturers have already caught on. BMW is late to the game. Hopefully the R13 platform rights their ship.
i agree, and that's (imo) the middle weight segment; as i was inferring in my previous post. however the obvious trade off is in touring/luggage.

as you say, you yearn for the unicorn bike. but i suspect it will never happen on purpose, you`re just shooting yourself in the foot sales wise.
 
i agree, and that's (imo) the middle weight segment; as i was inferring in my previous post. however the obvious trade off is in touring/luggage.

as you say, you yearn for the unicorn bike. but i suspect it will never happen on purpose, you`re just shooting yourself in the foot sales wise.

Today's middle-weight segment is an absolute joke.

500 lbs with 100 hp?

My 2006 R1200GS, which was the heavy-weight bike of its day was 500 lbs. With 100 hp.

This is nothing new. Just old stuff with a new label slapped on it.
 
Today's middle-weight segment is an absolute joke.

500 lbs with 100 hp?

My 2006 R1200GS, which was the heavy-weight bike of its day was 500 lbs. With 100 hp.

This is nothing new. Just old stuff with a new label slapped on it.
isn't it full of tech? buy an older one sans nannies and it's sure its lighter? trade off weight for price?

where do you propose they save weight without high cost-low weight materials?
 
isn't it full of tech? buy an older one sans nannies and it's sure its lighter? trade off weight for price?

where do you propose they save weight without high cost-low weight materials?
Bodywork? So much useless plastic crap bolted on in the name of style. Not 26 lbs but a lot.
 
isn't it full of tech? buy an older one sans nannies and it's sure its lighter? trade off weight for price?

where do you propose they save weight without high cost-low weight materials?

As I mentioned, some manufacturers are already doing it.

Tenere 700 is 450lbs.
890 Adventure R is 460 lbs (and low COG!)
690 Adventure R cheats a little because it's a thumper - 350 lbs

Those bikes dominate the true dual-sport market for riders who actually ride on and off-pavement with the same motorcycle.

I already have an EXC500. At 250lbs, I'm totally happy with it off-road and it's street-legal. My R1250GS is primarily a street and FSR bike, which I'm totally happy with that as well.

The original point of this thread was to remark on the direction BMW's R13 platform is heading in, which looks like it is heading back to true dual-sport direction not to debate about which bike I should have gotten. I like all my current rides. They do what I ask of them competently.
 
As I mentioned, some manufacturers are already doing it.

Tenere 700 is 450lbs.
890 Adventure R is 460 lbs.
690 Adventure R cheats a little because it's a thumper - 350 lbs

Those bikes dominate the true dual-sport market for riders who actually ride on and off-pavement with the same motorcycle.

I already have an EXC500. At 250lbs, I'm totally happy with it off-road and it's street-legal. My R1250GS is primarily a street and FSR bike, which I'm totally happy with that as well.

The original point of this thread was to remark on the direction BMW's R13 platform is heading in, which looks like it is heading back to true dual-sport direction not to debate about which bike I should have gotten. I like all my current rides. They do what I ask of them competently.
well i'm not really debating what you should have bought. i thought we're discussing the offerings of mfgs.

but okay, i'll see my way out.
 
As an ex-trials bike rider my opinion is if you can't pick it up and carry it out of the deep mud it's TOO HEAVY.
I must admit my Yamaha TY250 was a bit squirrely at highway speed.
I have Perelli Scorpion 2 tires on my V7iii (95% street 5% off road)
I have been known to ride off the pavement and the setup works for me.
 
As an ex-trials bike rider my opinion is if you can't pick it up and carry it out of the deep mud it's TOO HEAVY.
I must admit my Yamaha TY250 was a bit squirrely at highway speed.
I have Perelli Scorpion 2 tires on my V7iii (95% street 5% off road)
I have been known to ride off the pavement and the setup works for me.
Pick it up and carry? That would be a rough bar for almost any bike. A TY250 is close to 200 lbs. I can't put that on my shoulder and slog through deep mud. I have dragged a street bike out of a mud pit with a rope when powered forward progress was impossible.
 

Back
Top Bottom