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12 Bikes get parking tickets near King St and Yonge St
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Yes, that comment is obviously unsupportable opinion and, therefore, crap.
Finally some recognition. Just paid 25k+ to Ryerson. I'll fricken ride where I want!
Time for the spike strips. Well, maybe just gates.
Lol .. That's my bike. And I got 2 tickets on consecutive days. After my first one I thought it might have something to do with my front tire crossing the no stopping signpost.
Either way I've started parking out on front street now.
Either way I've started parking out on front street now.
What does the parking ticket actually say on it guys? Displacement size doesn't matter. 500cc scooters can still park on boulevards (not sidewalks) for free but not 125cc motorcycles despite being half the size. Remember not all sidewalks are public property either. If the space you're on is a sidewalk and not a boulevard, or interferes with pedestrian traffic, is too close to a fire hydrant, or on a private lot, you can still get a parking ticket, even on a scooter.
If the scoot got ticketed as well as the motorcycles odds are it was one if the above.
If the scoot got ticketed as well as the motorcycles odds are it was one if the above.
Adri, you'll have to show me where is states that scooters can park on the boulevard, without being ticketed, in the Toronto bylaws. Motor vehicles are not permitted to park on the boulevard, and I've posted the section of the bylaws in previous posts on the matter. Scooters are definitely motor vehicles, under the law. eBikes are a different story.
Then may I suggest that parking of scooters, on the boulevard, is patently NOT legal? Not being ticketed and being legally parked are two very different animals. That parking scooters on the boulevard is legal, is a myth that really needs to stop being spread around.
Lane splitting isn't legal in California but it isn't illegal. I think scooters fall into a similar grey. There seems to be confusion at all levels. I had a police officer ask a buddy of mine who rides a vintage vespa if he even needs a license for it. So really the level of knowledge by all involved is lacking.
Since I got a little scooter for running around the city I love being overlooked in a pinch. I still park like a motorcycle most of the time. Although I have found my scooter physically moved a few times which is upsetting.
Except that, in this case, there is no confusion when it comes to the actual legislation in place. Scooters are motor vehicles. Motor vehicles are not permitted to park on the boulevard (except by special permit).
This isn't a case of some legal loophole, like the lack of specific legislation regarding lane splitting in California. Legislation does, in fact, exist.
Do ebikes not have a motor? Or are electric motors not considered motors? in that case could an electric car park on the boulevard? That doesn't seem very clear to me. Ebikes have motors and are allowed. Scooters which look almost the same as Ebikes to most people can't. And we have police asking if you need a license to operate a 150cc vintage vespa.
There is obviously confusion. It may be clear in the wording but it is not clear in the mandate given to those who have the authority to ticket. The only time I have seen a scooter get a ticket is when a complaint is called in cause it is blocking the sidewalk or access of the private property owner near it.
I've contacted 311, for clarification. I specifically asked regarding motor scooters. They don't differentiate between motorcycles and motor scooters, when it comes to the parking laws. They also specifically mentioned eBikes, for which there is currently no specific legislation, so they are treated like bicycles.
http://www.toronto.ca/311/knowledgebase/66/101000051166.html
http://www.toronto.ca/311/knowledgebase/29/101000047129.html
Even in their own documentation they classify ebikes as motorized vehicles but then say their is no law specific. Wouldn't they fall under anything classified as a motorized vehicle since they are considered motorized vehicles in regards to park access.
Seems the city/province is generating its own confusion with classifications. I'm sure it also doesn't help that ebikes have almost identical plastics bodywork as scooters.
Like I said if they start ticketing I wouldn't put my scoot on the boulevard but I until that moment I am going to enjoy the non enforcement when in a pinch. Especially around my work with entire rows of parking spots being taken by those bixi bike stands.
"Motorized vehicle" isn't "Motor Vehicle." eBikes are classified; just not as motor vehicles: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/emerging/e-bike-faq.shtml
And there is the problem. They should be classified as a motor vehicle. I get what you have been saying. It is clearly written in law but my point is that the understanding isn't clear and massive grey area has been created by enforcement.
A law is only as strong as its enforcement and in the case of scooter parking there is little functional difference between being legal and being encouraged through lack of enforcement. Until the people who are empowered to make that call do so it will be treated as legal.
10-20km/h over on the highway isn't legal but it isn't enforced. I don't see many people going 100km/h despite being illegal and scooter parking on boulevards is the same thing. unenforced = acceptable
But not legal. People keep saying that it's legal.
officially not legal but functionally legal. The day they ticket every scooter on the boulevard is the day they ticket anyone going over 100km/h on the highway. Not going to happen.
Eventually when something is tolerated enough or not enforced it usually becomes legal. Maybe one day we will see scooter boulevard parking made officially legal not just functionally legal. Especially with the added popularity of scooters or maybe it will have the opposite effect. It enforced hard you would be hard pressed to find a car parking spot downtown if you move all of the scooters to street parking.
The point being that, especially in the current climate of trying to squeeze every ducat out of various forms of income, scooter riders should not be surprised when they start seeing little yellow strips of paper attached to their vehicles. Just as with the person who is doing 20 Kmh over the limit, they should make an INFORMED decision when they park on the boulevard.
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