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This guy posted a drone flyover and some pics. He had a Cruisers 38 in the building that is terminal. Comments to video have another video with roof entirely removed. Steel ibeam legs broke off at waterline.

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Seems like it may be corrosion related, perhaps that should have been tended to.

Score 1 for outside plastic wrapped storage vs inside I guess.
 
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Seems like it may be corrosion related, perhaps that should have been tended to.
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Maybe. Hard to tell without an up close picture. Add many tons to the roof without proper diagonal bracing and if it starts to rack, loads at the bottom of the legs quickly become incredibly large. Corrosion reducing the section doesn't help but even new piles might not have survived the applied loads. I suspect the new roof will have more slope.
 
I think the fact that it broke where it did, right at the waterline, right at the area of the most visible rust (quite possibly leading to thinning of the metal) is pretty telling alone.
 
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I think the fact that it broke where it did, right at the waterline, right at the area of the most visible rust (quite possibly leading to thinning of the metal) is pretty telling alone.
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Assuming the ice was thick, that is also the area of the highest stress.
 
Amen to that , we spent twenty K rebuilding a four fifty four gas guzzler for a boat we paid sixteen grand for , that would sell today for twelve K


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That's perfect size personal boat. I always regretted selling my 15' Bayliner. So easy to handle in and out on my own and excellent fishing platform as could lean against the rails.
Buddy still has his decades on.
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Got into 22' Bayliner i/o - too big to trailer for me easily. Bad choice.
Some notion of overnighting with the kids ....too small.
15' was 👌
 
We looked at a twenty eight ft Limestone , Volvo outdrive with cuddly cabin and a really nice aluminum trailer in Picton last week. Ask was Thirty two K which for that boat wasn’t bad . Sadly ( or not ) we took a couple days to think about it and an offer went in Monday . Sold in five days after listing , the good stuff still sells fast .


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We looked at a twenty eight ft Limestone , Volvo outdrive with cuddly cabin and a really nice aluminum trailer in Picton last week. Ask was Thirty two K which for that boat wasn’t bad . Sadly ( or not ) we took a couple days to think about it and an offer went in Monday . Sold in five days after listing , the good stuff still sells fast .
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Assume you mean a 24? I'm reasonably sure Limestone never built a 28, though Medeiros did under the Hunt brand, I think. Though with that XL beam, the 24s do feel a bit like a 28...

$32k for a clean Medeiros-built example (meaning newer, not necessarily better than the Hinterhoeller ones) with a reasonable hour motor and non-government layout (mid-mount motor, full transom bench seating) would have been a heck of a steal.

When we were looking at Limestones, anything under $50k was either really old, had an ancient motor, or was an ex-government boat with a rear-mount motor. Not that there's anything wrong with the above, it just affects the price. Our 20 was oldish (early Medeiros build), had a rebuilt carbureted (carburetted?) Mercruiser 5.7, and was ex-DFO, but was priced acordingly.

We looked very closely at an ex-RCMP 24 that had been decently restored and had a spotless 502 Mag MPI (8.2) shoehorned into the back with a Bravo outrive for not far above the asking on yours. Ended up passing because maintenance would've been a nightmare with no more than 2-3" of clearance to the deck and transom all the way around, and it was just way more motor than we needed. Would've been fun between fill-ups, at least...

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How the heck did they even get that in there, split the upper and lower portions of the hull? It seems like it would be physically impossible to even get in there to bolt up the motor mounts, much less hookup anything else.
 
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How the heck did they even get that in there, split the upper and lower portions of the hull? It seems like it would be physically impossible to even get in there to bolt up the motor mounts, much less hookup anything else.
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The surround on the transom comes off super easy (you can see a chromed finger nut on the port side). Otherwise, I'm fairly sure the raised and textured portions of the cockpit desk can come out as well, though with a bit more work.

Still, all a pain, and either means more swearing and busted knuckles if you do it yourself, or a bigger bill if you pay someone...
 
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The surround on the transom comes off super easy (you can see a chromed finger nut on the port side). Otherwise, I'm fairly sure the raised and textured portions of the cockpit desk can come out as well, though with a bit more work.

Still, all a pain, and either means more swearing and busted knuckles if you do it yourself, or a bigger bill if you pay someone...
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Ok, that at least makes it remotely workable.

Some of the boats we looked at for my sister and BIL’s hunt were also insanely packed in the engine bay that there was simply no way to work on some things as the hull didn’t have enough access. On one in particular the hot water tank was in a spot where it couldn’t be replaced. I googled it and found one person who had to do that once (wasn’t winterized properly and split) and they had to pull the intake, exhaust, cooling system and then the cylinder head (!!) off the one side of the port engine to get the old tank out and the new tank in. Rediculous.

The big thing that we love about the Doral they’ve settled on is that literally half of the cockpit area (about a third of the LOA of the boat) is engine hatch, operated on a single switch with hydraulic rams. It opens up into a nice space with tons of room to work.
 
Yes sorry twenty four express cruiser , limestone by Maderios, on a triaxle Excalibur trailer . Boat is listed on Boatdealer.ca . I’m not surprised it sold fast , I was a bit wonky since I already own more than one boat , but darn it was clean and not molested . And wife wants a travel trailer …….


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For those who have followed along on the Doral saga, the premliminary report from the surveyor came back a week back. The full survey report is on hold pending a few loose ends that need to be dealt with (long story), but the initial deficiency list has been provided which is the actionable/recommendations report, so the important nuts and bolts summary issued before the full survey itself.

First, huge (seriously, huge!) kudos to Marine Surveys Canada in Guelph. We have been dealing with Tim there and from the initial phone call and email exchanges, right through to the survey itself and several follow up phone calls, Tim has been absolutely stellar. Patient, willing to answer all our questions in great detail across all of our follow up phone calls, and honestly going well above and beyond, repeatedly.

We just couldn't recommend this guy enough to anyone looking for a legit quality surveyor who very clearly has a great passion for his job and does seriously great quality work, with great detail, using top quality methods and equipment.

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With the preliminary report in hand now and without going into a lot of details, the vessel has some concerns. Some positives for sure (mainly, the repower), but more than a few issues, at least one of them affecting the value fairly seriously due to needing probable future attention at potential significant cost.

I'll get into things more once the deal is done, or the deal is off, but that's in question right now depending on how the price negotiation goes with the seller, although that's off to a positive start it seems, so we'll see where it goes. But there needs to be consideration for the issues in the price things end up settling on in the end as although some things are easily addressed or non urgent, others are fairly significant "really needs to be done" things for a vessel that is 25 years old, a few are "must be done before the boat goes in the water", and 1 in particular is a real biggie, but yeah, more details later.

We'll see where things go.
 
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For those who have followed along on the Doral saga, the premliminary report from the surveyor came back a week back. The full survey report is on hold pending a few loose ends that need to be dealt with (long story), but the initial deficiency list has been provided which is the actionable/recommendations report, so the important nuts and bolts summary issued before the full survey itself.

First, huge (seriously, huge!) kudos to Marine Surveys Canada in Guelph. We have been dealing with Tim there and from the initial phone call and email exchanges, right through to the survey itself and several follow up phone calls, Tim has been absolutely stellar. Patient, willing to answer all our questions in great detail across all of our follow up phone calls, and honestly going well above and beyond, repeatedly.

We just couldn't recommend this guy enough to anyone looking for a legit quality surveyor who very clearly has a great passion for his job and does seriously great quality work, with great detail, using top quality methods and equipment.

Marine Surveys Canada | Pleasure Craft & Commercial Vessels

With over 20 years of experience, we specialize in comprehensive marine surveying and naval architecture services for pleasure craft and commercial vessels.
www.marinesurveyscanada.com www.marinesurveyscanada.com

With the preliminary report in hand now and without going into a lot of details, the vessel has some concerns. Some positives for sure (mainly, the repower), but more than a few issues, at least one of them affecting the value fairly seriously due to needing probable future attention at potential significant cost.

I'll get into things more once the deal is done, or the deal is off, but that's in question right now depending on how the price negotiation goes with the seller, although that's off to a positive start it seems, so we'll see where it goes. But there needs to be consideration for the issues in the price things end up settling on in the end as although some things are easily addressed or non urgent, others are fairly significant "really needs to be done" things for a vessel that is 25 years old, a few are "must be done before the boat goes in the water", and 1 in particular is a real biggie, but yeah, more details later.

We'll see where things go.
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A friend likes to buy boats that have been neglected but not abused or trashed. A touch up here or there, a lot of buffing, a loose fitting or two gets him into a boat that he could otherwise not be able to afford.

What scares me is serious hull work on complex boats, ones with aft cabins. I don't know how a shop would replace stringers or fuel tanks without disassembling the boat, deck and liner off after being laminated in place.

One shop told me that to R&R a fuel tank they'd cut out the bottom of the boat.
 
Same for re and re many engines on bigger production boats where they never gave any thought ( or cared ) about repowering , cut out the bottom and drop the engine . All glass repair is below the waterline , many many thousands less . Right now so many ‘ok’ small cruisers are being scrapped when the thirty K boat needs a Repower and its thirty k …..


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Same for re and re many engines on bigger production boats where they never gave any thought ( or cared ) about repowering , cut out the bottom and drop the engine . All glass repair is below the waterline , many many thousands less . Right now so many ‘ok’ small cruisers are being scrapped when the thirty K boat needs a Repower and its thirty k …..


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I consider fiberglass hulls homogenous units, laminated with unwaxed resins so the layers chemically bond. Patches are glued on and I don't trust them.
 
Things have come a long way Young Jedi , you’ll run back eleven or twelve to one at a minimum and using a sacrifaced surface it will be a mechanical and chemical bond , vacuum bagging will take away the need for a waxed resin. Or you’ll just go to an epoxy patch which needs no wax and is stronger than what you’re attaching to . I hate epoxy when vinyl esters will do , lot of work and expense . I’ll patch ( and have ) a two footing square hole in a hull and cross the Atlantic.


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The money pit , I’ve been deep in it , and a motorcycle or car you can roll it out of the way , boats over a certain size need big equipment to shuffle them around .
And you’re NEVER getting the money out . There are some very desirable gentlemen mahogany racers on the market now for the price of the steering wheel , the boat and engine get thrown in . The generation that loved them are expiring , much like muscle cars .


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I’ve done several, the only vintage cruiser I’d touch now are Marinettes and Roamers. I really like Marinettes, but both have bulletproof hulls, huge engine rooms, and easy access for electrical and mechanical.

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The money pit , I’ve been deep in it , and a motorcycle or car you can roll it out of the way , boats over a certain size need big equipment to shuffle them around .
And you’re NEVER getting the money out . There are some very desirable gentlemen mahogany racers on the market now for the price of the steering wheel , the boat and engine get thrown in . The generation that loved them are expiring , much like muscle cars .


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Wife’s uncle had a 24’ SeaBird he kept on Penn lake. I learned a lot about wood boats as a kid, I had a summer keeping a fleet of wooden Lightnings and Norbergs in shape.

I kept that old SeaBird running for years. It saddened me when he traded it for a used 19’ Grew so his boys could waterski more.
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