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timtune said:
Does he not know he's left the building?
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Given the cost (roughly $4B), consider that we could have built this many times over with the waste of money the Liberals have spent on all sorts of things. For example, $2B loan to Telesat that has no product or business but does have Mark Carney as a "good friend" of Telesat.
 
Shaman said:
Given the cost (roughly $4B), consider that we could have built this many times over with the waste of money the Liberals have spent on all sorts of things. For example, $2B loan to Telesat that has no product or business but does have Mark Carney as a "good friend" of Telesat.
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Invest it at a safe %5, pay the money back in 2 years, pocket $200M. Give half of that to Carney in a really, really big brown bag. I believe the correct term is cha-ching!
 
timtune said:
www.ctvnews.ca

A ‘game changer’: Trudeau gives update on high-speed rail project

A new, high-speed rail network between Toronto and Quebec City will be a 'game changer' for Canadian commuters, cutting travel times from Ontario’s largest city to Montreal to three hours, the prime minister says.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca

Does he not know he's left the building?
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Um... Quebec City? DOGE the Quebec Patronage.

How about running it through the economic, education, manufacturing, and population center of Canada?

If I need to see Bon Homme, I can take a slow train.
 
Mad Mike said:
Um... Quebec City? DOGE the Quebec Patronage.

How about running it through the economic, education, manufacturing, and population center of Canada?

If I need to see Bon Homme, I can take a slow train.
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I'm torn on that one since i grew up there. I mean i get it...it's an extra 300km of train tracks. They're just looking at trois-rivieres cause it's on the way (it's as unimportant as peterborough if not less) but the reasons why they COULD make it a thing... YQB airport is the most eastward int'l airport in the province, and quebec city is the "ottawa" of that province. So fly in to YQB to visit and then take the train to get elsewhere? But it's a small population to cover. It could help population growth too.

Could be a big influx of tourism for the city along with enabling a whole bunch of "commuting" from between Mtl and Qc.

1.5hr (taking into consideration boarding, the one stop, offboarding)on the train to commute 300km would be acceptable if its at a reasonable price.

But once again, it's a small population, smaller than mississauga's lol. They're already having trouble just getting a tram/LRT installed there.
 
LePhillou said:
I'm torn on that one since i grew up there. I mean i get it...it's an extra 300km of train tracks. They're just looking at trois-rivieres cause it's on the way (it's as unimportant as peterborough if not less) but the reasons why they COULD make it a thing... YQB airport is the most eastward int'l airport in the province, and quebec city is the "ottawa" of that province. So fly in to YQB to visit and then take the train to get elsewhere? But it's a small population to cover. It could help population growth too.

Could be a big influx of tourism for the city along with enabling a whole bunch of "commuting" from between Mtl and Qc.

1.5hr (taking into consideration boarding, the one stop, offboarding)on the train to commute 300km would be acceptable if its at a reasonable price.

But once again, it's a small population, smaller than mississauga's lol. They're already having trouble just getting a tram/LRT installed there.
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I look at a couple of things:

  • Going past Montreal to Quebec City adds about 850,000 people to the line.
  • Going from Toronto to Windsor adds 2.8M people. It also connects to Niagara Falls NY (40 minutes by car, and 90 minutes by GO train) and to Detroit MI which should be good for an order of magnitude more tourists.
  • Ontario corridor vs Quebec City would pay off the endeavor with ridership, rather than having to perpetually subsidize the QC option.

The only reason for selecting Quebec City over Windsor that I can see is another Liberal pandering for QC votes with Central and Western Canada's money.
 
Mad Mike said:
I look at a couple of things:

Going past Montreal to QC adds about 850,000 to the line.
Going from Toronto to Windsor adds 2.8M people. It also connects to NY (40 minutes car, and 90 minutes by GO train) and to Detroit MI at Windsor. That tourist opportunity would be an order of magnitude greater.

The only reason for selecting Quebec City over Windsor that I can see is another Liberal pandering for QC votes with Central and Western Canada's money.
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When you put it this way, going to windsor would probably add Hamilton and London as well but then we'd be basically looking at an Ontario express line as 80% of it would be Ontario with Montreal at the end as a bonus 1hr
I do see how much of a tourist trap it could be to add a connection to the states (Windsor) but then on the other hand if you want to feel like you went somewhere different, you can't beat Old Quebec city and the fortress which feels like little Europe. But i'm truly biased.

EDIT) just thought about all the quality skiing i could get, hop on the train friday evening, ski sat and sun and come back without having to worry about being exhausted on the drive back! :D
 
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LePhillou said:
When you put it this way, going to windsor would probably add Hamilton and London as well but then we'd be basically looking at an Ontario express line as 80% of it would be Ontario with Montreal at the end as a bonus 1hr
I do see how much of a tourist trap it could be to add a connection to the states (Windsor) but then on the other hand if you want to feel like you went somewhere different, you can't beat Old Quebec city and the fortress which feels like little Europe. But i'm truly biased.

EDIT) just thought about all the quality skiing i could get, hop on the train friday evening, ski sat and sun and come back without having to worry about being exhausted on the drive back! :D
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Hamilton, Kitchener/Waterloo, London are already on the rail corridor.

I'd ditch Peterborough and Ottawa too. More pandering.
 
Mad Mike said:
Hamilton, Kitchener/Waterloo, London are already on the rail corridor.

I'd ditch Peterborough and Ottawa too. More pandering.
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High speed rail only works with huge distances between stops. Politicians are incapable of avoiding pandering. By the time it's built, it will be 10B plus and have so many stops that high speed doesn't matter. Stops need to be at least 300 km apart otherwise you spend much of your time accelerating, decelerating and stopped. You get the headline speed for a little in the middle but average speed plummets to less than a car (and price will be at least double via which is already expensive enough that few use it).
 
GreyGhost said:
High speed rail only works with huge distances between stops. Politicians are incapable of avoiding pandering. By the time it's built, it will be 10B plus and have so many stops that high speed doesn't matter. Stops need to be at least 300 km apart otherwise you spend much of your time accelerating, decelerating and stopped. You get the headline speed for a little in the middle but average speed plummets to less than a car (and price will be at least double via which is already expensive enough that few use it).
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That would mean Windsor (1.5h)Toronto (2.5h) Montreal... (and 1.5h forpotentially quebec)
Toronto to Montreal is a "big" stretch though so maybe that's why they'd break it up?

In the end it has to be cheaper and faster to board than a flight. On time. And convenient enough for most of its users.
 
LePhillou said:
That would mean Windsor (1.5h)Toronto (2.5h) Montreal... (and 1.5h forpotentially quebec)
Toronto to Montreal is a "big" stretch though so maybe that's why they'd break it up?

In the end it has to be cheaper and faster to board than a flight. On time. And convenient enough for most of its users.
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Passing thru Peterboro and Ottawa doesnt' make sense. It would add about an hour to the Montreal-Toronto segment, and require a lot more complicated construction.

Where is the common sense?
 
LePhillou said:
That would mean Windsor (1.5h)Toronto (2.5h) Montreal... (and 1.5h forpotentially quebec)
Toronto to Montreal is a "big" stretch though so maybe that's why they'd break it up?

In the end it has to be cheaper and faster to board than a flight. On time. And convenient enough for most of its users.
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Exactly. The project is doomed. Even if you did Windsor, Toronto, Peterboro,Ottawa,Montreal, Quebec City, If you got on in windsor, that is about 1.5 hours not at top speed. (and much of that time stopped). It's about a 12 hour drive or 16 hours on via (for $400-700 one way) now. It would be at least 7 hours on the high speed train and probably in the ballpark of $1000-1500 return per seat. Flight is 5.5 hours (including a layover in toronto) plus time at airport for $350 return. So the absolute best case scenario with few stops is the same speed as a flight and triple the cost. By the time politicians add more stops and rolling stock/operating company sucks, as well as most people needing to spend an hour or more getting to the departure station, it will be much longer. The whole idea is doomed from the beginning and has zero possibility of success. As a start, we should kill Via now. It's a loser and if this high speed is built, VIA will lose even faster.
 
Is Trudy jumping on the Doug ford bandwagon and building tunnels and RRtracks
 
What a waste of money and I'm sure he's (and others) are making bank from this agreement...and I'm in transit construction!

It'll end up going through multiple iterations of design, then re-design with each successive gov't and pandering, and then by the time it'll be done...3x the budget, 3x the timeline, and 1/3 the benefit of what's going touted (if that).

Whoever replaces him PLEASE cancel this before more of our money is set on fire.
 
High speed Japanese style bullet train should be cross country, we abandoned rail transit while Europe saved theirs . It needs to cost less than a flight ( again Europe embarrasses us ) and should be built . Major city to major city , no stop in the Shwa or Nappanee . I’d would support an appropriate costed rail ride .


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