No laws against headlights

Likely due to most instruments have some sort of screen now.
It's not that simple. Some manufacturers need to pull their head out of their *****. They have had dash lights on for decades without taillights. Anytime it's dark enough for dash lights, it's dark enough to need tail lights. It was a conscious choice they made and it was the wrong one.
 
It's not that simple. Some manufacturers need to pull their head out of their *****. They have had dash lights on for decades without taillights. Anytime it's dark enough for dash lights, it's dark enough to need tail lights. It was a conscious choice they made and it was the wrong one.
Seems like it is Japanese cars usually Honda.

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It's not the brightness of the headlights, it's the adjustment. Back home if your headlights don't meet the standards of x hight at x distance it's an unroadworthy ticket and a point off your licence, here it seems cars come off the assembly line way off the standards, especially pickups that have their lights mounted up so high that to meet the standards they'd be pointing at the ground 10m away.

Also for some reason almost every high beam ******* I see is one of the following 3, toyota corolla, Honda civic and hyundai elentra. No idea what's wrong with people that drive those cars but they are disproportionately the light houses on the road in my experience.
 
Yep, but even on vehicles with traditional dashboards, automakers have decided that the dashboard should be lit up all the time, even when the lights are not even on. This was the dumbest thing ever.

Anyhow, as of 2021 this issue was supposed to have been fixed, but it'll take some time for the old problem vehicles to get off the road, so we'll continue to see no-headlight specials for a long time I suspect.

Wow just effing wow! Why did it take so long? And I think the bigger question should be how did the auto co's ever let this happen. This was a very dangerous situation that never should have been allowed to happen. It's pitch black, you see light ahead of you, the dash is is all lit up it really is so easy to forget you have zero rear lights. This is 100% on the automakers.
 
My old Subaru did pretty good. Set it to Auto and leave it. Turns low beams on day or night and off when you leave the car.
Honda is a little more problematic. Auto is half high, and if you leave them at auto they don’t turn off when you leave.
I’ve had mechanics turn the switch to off on me when the car is in the shop, so check when you leave.
 
Wow just effing wow! Why did it take so long? And I think the bigger question should be how did the auto co's ever let this happen. This was a very dangerous situation that never should have been allowed to happen. It's pitch black, you see light ahead of you, the dash is is all lit up it really is so easy to forget you have zero rear lights. This is 100% on the automakers.

We’ve reached the stage with driver skills and thinking abilities where cars need to do everything for people now. We drove into Toronto this morning to go car shopping and number of people on the 401 in heavy spray and rain with no lights on whatsoever just baffles me. It used to be that people had the sensibilities to turn on their lights manually in bad weather (much less pitch black), but now, ugh.
 
My old Subaru did pretty good. Set it to Auto and leave it. Turns low beams on day or night and off when you leave the car.
Honda is a little more problematic. Auto is half high, and if you leave them at auto they don’t turn off when you leave.
I’ve had mechanics turn the switch to off on me when the car is in the shop, so check when you leave.
Many cars have a timer - usually 20-30 seconds (you can usually set this up) where when on auto the lights will stay on to help illuminate the way back to your home, etc. Could be this.
 
Many cars have a timer - usually 20-30 seconds (you can usually set this up) where when on auto the lights will stay on to help illuminate the way back to your home, etc. Could be this.
Oof, my bad. I meant to say if you leave them at low beam, they don't turn off.
At auto, they do turn off, but you have no tail lights and half high beam headlights.
Subaru was a step ahead with being able to leave them at low beam, that was on a '93 Legacy Turbo.
 
Oof, my bad. I meant to say if you leave them at low beam, they don't turn off.
At auto, they do turn off, but you have no tail lights and half high beam headlights.
Subaru was a step ahead with being able to leave them at low beam, that was on a '93 Legacy Turbo.
My 84 Buick had auto headlights and every vehicle I have owned since probably costs pennies to install the light sensor.

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The Safari/Astro vans had a light sensor on the dash, if the truck was in gear the daytime lights came on at 60%, no dash lights. When it got dark (or you went though a tunnel, or threw stuff on the dash) the lights came on.
PERFECT
That truck shared it's electronic package with almost every other GM light truck of the era; that didn't have that feature... I think the S10s did, but the regular pickups and vans didn't. Weird
 
The Safari/Astro vans had a light sensor on the dash

We had one of those. The Rally Sport edition. "Sporty" for a minivan.
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The thing eventually wouldn't pass emissions in the early 2000's when it became a thing. I kept it parked for a few years, was going to 350 swap it and not only have a bit of a fun little sleeper, but also get it through emissions under the "hot rod" exceptions of the day, but that never happened.

Anhow, I don't remember the headlights being automatic in any fashion.
 
GM got the headlight switch right. The "auto" position is next to the "off" position, the switch spring-loads back to "auto" if you select "off" (which normally there's never a reason to do, but it's there if you insist) and on the Canadian models, even if you turn them "off", it goes back to "auto" the moment you release the parking brake. It basically doesn't allow you to leave them "off" all the time, and never while you are driving.

Common offenders: Honda, Acura, Toyota, Lexus, Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, Ford, Chrysler.

At least on my FiatChrysler vehicles, if you leave the headlight switch in the "on" position, they go off with the key, so you can just leave the switch "on" all the time.
 
We had one of those. The Rally Sport edition. "Sporty" for a minivan.
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The thing eventually wouldn't pass emissions in the early 2000's when it became a thing. I kept it parked for a few years, was going to 350 swap it and not only have a bit of a fun little sleeper, but also get it through emissions under the "hot rod" exceptions of the day, but that never happened.

Anhow, I don't remember the headlights being automatic in any fashion.
F. those things. Worst minivan ever. Almost killed me when I borrowed one off of the father-in-law. Pulled out to pass, one-thousand and one, one-thousand and two, one-thousand and three, vroom! Had an anti stall that put a three second delay into the passing gear. Fortunately, the car coming the other way and the car I was passing both moved to the shoulder, or I wouldn't be here. Second worst was the Venture, with the brake light electrical that was exposed to the elements, causing people to drive around with no brake lights.
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GM got the headlight switch right. The "auto" position is next to the "off" position, the switch spring-loads back to "auto" if you select "off" (which normally there's never a reason to do, but it's there if you insist) and on the Canadian models, even if you turn them "off", it goes back to "auto" the moment you release the parking brake. It basically doesn't allow you to leave them "off" all the time, and never while you are driving.

Common offenders: Honda, Acura, Toyota, Lexus, Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, Ford, Chrysler.

At least on my FiatChrysler vehicles, if you leave the headlight switch in the "on" position, they go off with the key, so you can just leave the switch "on" all the time.
If it flipped to low beams and tail lights, then yes, otherwise, it is second best to the Subaru.
 
We had one of those. The Rally Sport edition. "Sporty" for a minivan.
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The thing eventually wouldn't pass emissions in the early 2000's when it became a thing. I kept it parked for a few years, was going to 350 swap it and not only have a bit of a fun little sleeper, but also get it through emissions under the "hot rod" exceptions of the day, but that never happened.

Anhow, I don't remember the headlights being automatic in any fashion.
Auto headlights are uh...well ok but it's makes the brain dead unseeable targets in the daytime when it's foggy or raining heavy....Auto does NOT turn on the tail lights in this case. Most do not know that and it makes it very difficult to see the car in front of you. Very dangerous
 
A new high-beam offender is Tesla, which is especially upsetting since they’re supposed to be self-driving soon, yet they still cruise with high beams on. Teslas come with auto-off high beams, so the drivers must go out of their way to be extra obnoxious by keeping them on. I flash them and then fully light them up with the light bar. Nothing, no reaction. They must have consciously turned the high beams on and deliberately overridden the auto-off feature.

Many cars can be coded to have the headlights and taillights on at all times. It's one of the first things I do when I get a car.
 
Auto headlights are uh...well ok but it's makes the brain dead unseeable targets in the daytime when it's foggy or raining heavy....Auto does NOT turn on the tail lights in this case. Most do not know that and it makes it very difficult to see the car in front of you. Very dangerous
Yes, auto headlights turn on both the headlights and tail lights. When you see a car with no tail lights, that's the driver running on just the DRL's. In other words, they forgot to turn the lights on. Some DRL's are pretty bright, which doesn't help.
 
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