Solution to the homeless problem.

[nobbie48]

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Simple math.

A) There are up to 300,000 homeless in Canada.

B) There are over 300,000 civil servants in Canada

A + B= zero homeless.

Since it is the responsibility of the civil service to handle the problem let each civil servant take in one homeless person until the civil service can get its act together and take responsibility for their shortcomings at work. It's called real life experience, giving the civil servant a better understanding of the problem and a desire to fix it.

The reality:

Homelessness Statistics in Canada | Made in CA

Homelessness is a problem that most people would not associate with Canada, yet it is becoming an increasingly pressing issue. The estimated number of homeless people in Canada ranges from 150,000 to 300,000, and the figure has been rising. What is behind homelessness in Canada, what is the cost...

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[GreyGhost]

Simple math.

A) There are up to 300,000 homeless in Canada.

B) There are over 300,000 civil servants in Canada

A + B= zero homeless.

Since it is the responsibility of the civil service to handle the problem let each civil servant take in one homeless person until the civil service can get its act together and take responsibility for their shortcomings at work. It's called real life experience, giving the civil servant a better understanding of the problem and a desire to fix it.

The reality:

Homelessness Statistics in Canada | Made in CA

Homelessness is a problem that most people would not associate with Canada, yet it is becoming an increasingly pressing issue. The estimated number of homeless people in Canada ranges from 150,000 to 300,000, and the figure has been rising. What is behind homelessness in Canada, what is the cost...

madeinca.ca

I recommend an adjustment factor, the more power your position has, the more people you get as you have more ability to fix the problem. Housing minister should have 100 or so in their house/on their property.

 

[nobbie48]

I recommend an adjustment factor, the more power your position has, the more people you get as you have more ability to fix the problem. Housing minister should have 100 or so in their house/on their property.

Justin could move into a single bed and make space for a couple.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Justin could move to Kurdistan and make space for a couple.

FTFY

 

[jc100]

When I lived in Nice in the South of France for a bit, the Mayors solution to their homeless problem was to lure the homeless onto buses with the promise of shelter and food, then bus them into a small village in the Alps. Voila….no more homeless problem…..in Nice. The program seemed to work well aside from the occasional vocalisation of the words “fascist” and the like.

 

[mimico_polak]

When I lived in Nice in the South of France for a bit, the Mayors solution to their homeless problem was to lure the homeless onto buses with the promise of shelter and food, then bus them into a small village in the Alps. Voila….no more homeless problem…..in Nice. The program seemed to work well aside from the occasional vocalisation of the words “fascist” and the like.

Isn’t that what some cities in the US did? One way tickets to San Francisco and Los Angeles?

 

[GreyGhost]

Isn’t that what some cities in the US did? One way tickets to San Francisco and Los Angeles?

A similar idea has been considered for Barrie. People being released from CNCC (super jail) in Penetanguishene without someone to pick them up get dropped in Barrie as the closest transit hub. They don't have enough money to get anywhere though so they end up staying in Barrie. There was a plan to provide transit for those people to a location of their choosing (hopefully where they have support) as transit is cheaper than continual support. Not sure if the plan was ever actually enacted.

 

[jc100]

A similar idea has been considered for Barrie. People being released from CNCC (super jail) in Penetanguishene without someone to pick them up get dropped in Barrie as the closest transit hub. They don't have enough money to get anywhere though so they end up staying in Barrie. There was a plan to provide transit for those people to a location of their choosing (hopefully where they have support) as transit is cheaper than continual support. Not sure if the plan was ever actually enacted.

Probably cost effective to just put a large fence around Barrie to keep them there.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Isn’t that what some cities in the US did? One way tickets to San Francisco and Los Angeles?

Martha's Vineyard migrant airlift - Wikipedia

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[mimico_polak]

Martha's Vineyard migrant airlift - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Oh I remember this stunt by DeSantis. But this doesn’t compare to the bussing of the homeless population from city to city on a much grander scale.

 

[raginduck]

A similar idea has been considered for Barrie. People being released from CNCC (super jail) in Penetanguishene without someone to pick them up get dropped in Barrie as the closest transit hub. They don't have enough money to get anywhere though so they end up staying in Barrie. There was a plan to provide transit for those people to a location of their choosing (hopefully where they have support) as transit is cheaper than continual support. Not sure if the plan was ever actually enacted.

I'm pretty sure they're given a transit ticket, or money to buy a ticket, to their hometown.

 

[Mad Mike]

When I lived in Nice in the South of France for a bit, the Mayors solution to their homeless problem was to lure the homeless onto buses with the promise of shelter and food, then bus them into a small village in the Alps. Voila….no more homeless problem…..in Nice. The program seemed to work well aside from the occasional vocalisation of the words “fascist” and the like.

When I lived in Santa Barbara they did the same thing - the community didn't have much of an appetite for the homeless.

Once a year the locals put on a BBQ with free burgers and beer, then gave away free one-way bus tickets and $500 once they reached their destination, which was usually somewhere in Texas.

 

[Lightcycle]

Happens everywhere.

Vancouver complains that Saskatchewan is bussing it's homeless to their city:

Homeless men from Saskatchewan sent to BC with one-way bus tickets

Saskatchewan's apparent move to send two homeless people to our province on one way bus tickets is being described as inhumane by one Vancouver city councillor.

vancouver.citynews.ca

Meanwhile, we're seeing homeless people from Vancouver being sent to the BC Interior to use our facilities.

 

[Mad Mike]

There is no simple solution, my wish is the government to put an end to programs and spending that doesn't help. We need a few practical solutions that tackle the root causes and other solutions to support those with temporary needs.

Toronto spends about $720 million a year to provide 9000 shelter spaces- about $80,000/space. That seems like an astronomical amount of money -- where is it going? How does one even find out how that money is being spent?

 

[backmarkerducati]

Being serious.... First separating "un/under housed people" contributing to society or that will in the future like immigrants. Then the second group homeless people living on the streets due to various reasons (and not contributing to society, likely never will going forward).

Specifically that second group, what percentage do we think are actually "from" Toronto and what percentage some from somewhere else?

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Being serious.... First separating "un/under housed people" contributing to society or that will in the future like immigrants. Then the second group homeless people living on the streets due to various reasons (and not contributing to society, likely never will going forward).

Specifically that second group, what percentage do we think are actually "from" Toronto and what percentage some from somewhere else?

About the same percentage as the general population of Toronto that is actually from Toronto would be my guess. maybe a bit less on the homeless side.

 

[nobbie48]

Isn’t that what some cities in the US did? One way tickets to San Francisco and Los Angeles?

There was a thing about Texas and Arizona sending bus loads of immigrants to NYC, SF and LA so they could appreciate the problem.

There was a Video of a pro Biden type pushing the open border thing and then being asked if it was OK for a couple of Hispanics to camp in his back yard. "Hell no!" was the reply. What fraction of a percent of the do gooders would answer differently?

I totally sympathize with the third world masses but giving up my home would be as effective as spitting on a forest fire. The real solution is to lift up their lives, not tear ours down. Those economics aren't good for the 2% club.

 

[jc100]

Being serious.... First separating "un/under housed people" contributing to society or that will in the future like immigrants. Then the second group homeless people living on the streets due to various reasons (and not contributing to society, likely never will going forward).

Specifically that second group, what percentage do we think are actually "from" Toronto and what percentage some from somewhere else?

We are getting pretty close to the point here when some of the homeless hang around at road junctions with signs saying “need fare to BC”.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

There was a thing about Texas and Arizona sending bus loads of immigrants to NYC, SF and LA so they could appreciate the problem.

Did the morons in Texas and Arizona not see any recent photos of the tent city that is downtown LA?

 

[Mad Mike]

Being serious.... First separating "un/under housed people" contributing to society or that will in the future like immigrants. Then the second group homeless people living on the streets due to various reasons (and not contributing to society, likely never will going forward).

Specifically that second group, what percentage do we think are actually "from" Toronto and what percentage some from somewhere else?

A lot are from somewhere else, that’s the case with every city in Ontario.

Cities are magnets for those seeking social assistance, homeless find community and are drawn by easier access to social programs, contraband, and a bigger community to melt into, and generally more tolerance. Being homeless is easier Toronto and Timmins than it is in Beaverton or Gogama.

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