Except that those half ton, 300 hp, 3 litre dirt bikes might be overwhelming for some.
OP never said don't start in the dirt, just start small, which many dirt bikes are.
Does this mean we are in agreement?
New Riders...Start with a smaller bike!
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Except that those half ton, 300 hp, 3 litre dirt bikes might be overwhelming for some.
OP never said don't start in the dirt, just start small, which many dirt bikes are.
Does this mean we are in agreement?
Roadghost
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Not so easy to do if you live in the city, but I agree. It's where I started. There are those new dual sport bikes like the Versys and the 250 Rally - get the best of both worlds. Remember, if you're out in the middle of nowhere and you have serious wipe-out it will be a long time before they get you out of there.
Depends on the size of rider, 6'2 220 won't fit on a kx80. SooooExcept that those half ton, 300 hp, 3 litre dirt bikes might be overwhelming for some.
OP never said don't start in the dirt, just start small, which many dirt bikes are.
Does this mean we are in agreement?
By the sentiment in this thread, it would seem that most people on here would be in favour of tiered class systems for new riders.
How would you all have felt if you were FORCED to ride a 125 or 250 for the duration of your graduated licencing?
How about people with G1 and G2? Should they only be allowed to buy / drive Smart cars?
This is a free country. Buy what you want. Ride want you want.
The smart ones understand the risks and govern themselves accordingly, the others Darwin takes care of...
How would you all have felt if you were FORCED to ride a 125 or 250 for the duration of your graduated licencing?
How about people with G1 and G2? Should they only be allowed to buy / drive Smart cars?
This is a free country. Buy what you want. Ride want you want.
The smart ones understand the risks and govern themselves accordingly, the others Darwin takes care of...
Riceburner
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Big difference between new rider and new driver. Also a big difference between bikes and cars. It's more like a SS is equal to a high end Vette or Stang. Should a new driver be allowed in those? Probably not, but a car has a lot more safety inherent than a bike.
All this posturing is gonna throw out your backs, dudes. I bet that Arogal is a chiropractor. Hurt feelings aside, it won't be any of us deciding the future of rider education. A tragic and avoidable accident will be exploited by the Premier (in an election year) or by a cabinet minister (hoping to become premier) with the end result being more regulations of questionable value. Other than the increased fees, penalties and premiums, I mean. The government/insurance industry complex will slurp down the cash faster than a frustrated dieter on their second bottle of Ensure.
Genesis
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First Bike: R6
I'm reading alot of ignorance here...
I suppose the mainstream thing to say is to start on a 250cc or 300cc but you'll have to forgive me because I'll be going against the grain.
Although generally speaking where one would have to assume the general public lacks common sense, introspection, or any form of self-analysis, suggesting the safest possible route is expected and understandable. To speak politically incorrectly, the general public aka "average Joe" are idiots. I am surprised they're not wearing helmets while walking in the rain (you know, because it's slippery...)
That said, for the others out there who are machanically inclined, has common sense, a healthy dose of confidence, and a reasonable degree of intelligence, the option to balance a larger degree of risk with success is available. It churns my stomach to see "carbon copy" people bashing others who exercise their individual capabilities.
As for those who criticise riders who "ride the bike to be cool", this criticism stems from a psychological personality trait that holds little value for aesthetics. A person with an eye and appreciation for aesthetics may express themselves through various avenues and outlets, especially through riding.
No offense to anyone but a person who cannot fathom the concept of aesthetics telling me I'm an idiot for starting on an R6 is just an invalid and unrecognized opinion because he speaks from a limited perspective without understanding my own. Personally speaking, aesthetic appeal is a major part of why I ride motorcycles and although no bike is worth my life, I wouldn't risk my life riding around on a 250cc. It's just not worth it to me.
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I'm reading alot of ignorance here...
I suppose the mainstream thing to say is to start on a 250cc or 300cc but you'll have to forgive me because I'll be going against the grain.
Although generally speaking where one would have to assume the general public lacks common sense, introspection, or any form of self-analysis, suggesting the safest possible route is expected and understandable. To speak politically incorrectly, the general public aka "average Joe" are idiots. I am surprised they're not wearing helmets while walking in the rain (you know, because it's slippery...)
That said, for the others out there who are machanically inclined, has common sense, a healthy dose of confidence, and a reasonable degree of intelligence, the option to balance a larger degree of risk with success is available. It churns my stomach to see "carbon copy" people bashing others who exercise their individual capabilities.
As for those who criticise riders who "ride the bike to be cool", this criticism stems from a psychological personality trait that holds little value for aesthetics. A person with an eye and appreciation for aesthetics may express themselves through various avenues and outlets, especially through riding.
No offense to anyone but a person who cannot fathom the concept of aesthetics telling me I'm an idiot for starting on an R6 is just an invalid and unrecognized opinion because he speaks from a limited perspective without understanding my own. Personally speaking, aesthetic appeal is a major part of why I ride motorcycles and although no bike is worth my life, I wouldn't risk my life riding around on a 250cc. It's just not worth it to me.
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Genesis
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And it shows. But that's o.k. knowledge and wisdom will come with time and experience.
defeater905
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That would be amazing because there would need to be more dirt we'd be allowed to ride.
Genesis
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Another's lack of understanding has very little to do with my own personal ascension or attainment of knowledge and/or wisdom.
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Riceburner
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And all the stats are wrong.
Riceburner
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defeater905
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haha sorry but this is not a free country anymore...no free speech at all. brutal.
You're goin a little past the point though. I would think just a HP limit on new drivers of cars and motorcycles would suffice. No one needs to learn on an SS and no one needs to learn on their dads corvette. It wouldn't be a big deal, drive the "slower" vehicle for a year get your full license and then buy the SS you want. It's not going to happen but it'd be a good idea IMHO.
Genesis
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I already addressed the general public.
There are reasons why the stats are what they are, and it has just as much as to do with the rider as it does the bike.
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Genesis
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Minimal experience. Although I'm progressing well. I went into my choice of an R6 with the expectation that it would be a death dealing uncontrollable monster that would devour my soul.
To my surprise, that is not the case. Apparently, the application of common sense and the right attitude really helps. Again, it depends on the individual more so than the bike.
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bigpoppa
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You've never gone down?
Figures, buys a dualsport, only to ride on the road
If you actually take your bike offroad, you've crashed more times than i will in a lifetime so, nice try either way :lmao:
Riceburner
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I think the point got missed. Yes, it's always up to the individual rider, but a small mistake on a 250 results in a big difference to the same mistake on a SS. The 250 gives you more chances to save yourself from the mistake. Does every rider make big mistakes? Of course not, but many do.
