Swarm of motorcyclezw spotted in gta
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Megamaniac
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Wow well said :booty:looks like the gig is up grrim griff.
Kwtoxman you also a lawyer ? Like the griff reaper
Wow well said :booty:looks like the gig is up grrim griff.
Kwtoxman you also a lawyer ? Like the griff reaper
zeta_immersion
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I am not done reading but ...
"The motorcycle rider involved in the accident isusually inconspicuous in traffic, inexperienced, untrained, unlicensed, unprotectedand uninsured and does a poor job of avoiding the collision"
so true ... i mean this is insane. While I agree motorcycle riders tend to be better vehicle handlers they require to maintain and update their skills throughout the riding career. Then again, while good riders die as well, most of the time, Darwin compensates those with unusually high skills by removing them from the gene pool.
I am not done reading but ...
"The motorcycle rider involved in the accident isusually inconspicuous in traffic, inexperienced, untrained, unlicensed, unprotectedand uninsured and does a poor job of avoiding the collision"
so true ... i mean this is insane. While I agree motorcycle riders tend to be better vehicle handlers they require to maintain and update their skills throughout the riding career. Then again, while good riders die as well, most of the time, Darwin compensates those with unusually high skills by removing them from the gene pool.
Re: If you participated in this ride smarten up!!!!!
That wasn't the point being made. Many here claim that most rider collisions are the fault of left turners, SMIDSY, tailgaters, or in other words cars and trucks being at fault for running into them. The facts belie that claim, and that was the point being made.
The fact is that an average of 40% of motorcycle fatalities each year in Ontario are single vehicle, not a car or truck involved at all. Of the remaining 60% of fatalities involving multiple vehicles, primary crash fault tends to split fairly evenly between motorcycles and other vehicles even though the motorcycle is almost always the biggest loser in the encounter.
Riders hold the key to improving their survival odds, and they usually hold it firmly in their throttle wrist.
I have no tolerance for the attitudes of street racers, overly aggressive, or impaired drivers of any kind. Simple mistakes are another matter that should be addressed by higher driver training and skills standards than currently exist.
I don't hate riders. I deplore irresponsible riding, and irresponsible driving too. Neither has anything to do with hating motorcycles or cars. It has to do with deploring the stupid riders and drivers that plague the roads that I and other more responsible road users are also on. Are we all supposed to approve such drivinga nd riding here just because some think it's fun?
I've previously stated my position on sympathy for crash victims. In short, I won't waste any on someone who has thrown his or her life away through deliberate rank stupidity. After all, as you say, you reap what you sow.
That wasn't the point being made. Many here claim that most rider collisions are the fault of left turners, SMIDSY, tailgaters, or in other words cars and trucks being at fault for running into them. The facts belie that claim, and that was the point being made.
The fact is that an average of 40% of motorcycle fatalities each year in Ontario are single vehicle, not a car or truck involved at all. Of the remaining 60% of fatalities involving multiple vehicles, primary crash fault tends to split fairly evenly between motorcycles and other vehicles even though the motorcycle is almost always the biggest loser in the encounter.
Riders hold the key to improving their survival odds, and they usually hold it firmly in their throttle wrist.
I have no tolerance for the attitudes of street racers, overly aggressive, or impaired drivers of any kind. Simple mistakes are another matter that should be addressed by higher driver training and skills standards than currently exist.
I don't hate riders. I deplore irresponsible riding, and irresponsible driving too. Neither has anything to do with hating motorcycles or cars. It has to do with deploring the stupid riders and drivers that plague the roads that I and other more responsible road users are also on. Are we all supposed to approve such drivinga nd riding here just because some think it's fun?
I've previously stated my position on sympathy for crash victims. In short, I won't waste any on someone who has thrown his or her life away through deliberate rank stupidity. After all, as you say, you reap what you sow.
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yodude
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Re: If you participated in this ride smarten up!!!!!
Oh. I've been coming here since 2007. I guess I'm dating myself.
Oh. I've been coming here since 2007. I guess I'm dating myself.
Riceburner
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So did you put out on your date with yourself?
So did you put out on your date with yourself?
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9 yr anniversary gift used to be willow, nowadays it's leather.........
9 yr anniversary gift used to be willow, nowadays it's leather.........
Riceburner
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Wow...haven't heard that name in a while.
Wow...haven't heard that name in a while.
Roadghost
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And yet, article after article still sources the MSF for what the most common motorcycle accident is to this day - a car turning left at an intersection violating the motorcycle's right of way. Not everything in the Hurt report needs to be proven all over again.
https://rideapart.com/articles/10-common-motorcycle-accidents-and-how-to-avoid-them
Here's a site from the UK listing 38% of accidents at intersections as "right of way violations". Most accidents there happen at intersections.
http://www.bikelawyer.co.uk/bike-accident-statistics
This isn't something trendy. Intersections haven't changed in 70 years. I'm starting to think that more roundabouts might be a good idea.
I'm sure you'd "like to think" a lot of things, but the reality is that some things don't change. The most common accident is still a car violating a bike's right of way. It's your choice to live in a fantasy land and deny it.
And yet, article after article still sources the MSF for what the most common motorcycle accident is to this day - a car turning left at an intersection violating the motorcycle's right of way. Not everything in the Hurt report needs to be proven all over again.
https://rideapart.com/articles/10-common-motorcycle-accidents-and-how-to-avoid-them
Here's a site from the UK listing 38% of accidents at intersections as "right of way violations". Most accidents there happen at intersections.
http://www.bikelawyer.co.uk/bike-accident-statistics
This isn't something trendy. Intersections haven't changed in 70 years. I'm starting to think that more roundabouts might be a good idea.
I'm sure you'd "like to think" a lot of things, but the reality is that some things don't change. The most common accident is still a car violating a bike's right of way. It's your choice to live in a fantasy land and deny it.
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Not saying that left-turners aren't a problem, but the single most common cause of rider fatalities in Ontario is riders running off the road all by themselves.
Not saying that left-turners aren't a problem, but the single most common cause of rider fatalities in Ontario is riders running off the road all by themselves.
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And yet people still fall for the same logic error, since first concluding something that the Hurt report didn't actually say.
And yet people still fall for the same logic error, since first concluding something that the Hurt report didn't actually say.
Roadghost
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Where are you sourcing your stats from?
Only insofar as speed is or isn't a factor.
I have to agree with you. But I don't fall into the trap of thinking every guy who is speeding is responsible for causing and accident. It's usually the inattentive bozos who do that. I also don't advocate that people get together in a pack of bikes and cause general panic by swarming the highways. I just don't see it as some incredibly evil thing. Ultimately the individual is responsible for his decisions in a free society and if he makes one that kills him it's his loss, nobody else's.
Nobody's asking for you to "approve" of anything. They are not a danger to you, so I don't see why you're having a nervous breakdown about them. Bear in mine there are many who don't approve of you riding a motorcycle, who think its reckless and stupid, and who think motorcycles should be banned from public roadways. That's called "intolerance" and in and of itself it is a plague in our society. The essence of a free society is putting up with the behavior or misbehavior of others so long as it does not cause undue hardship or danger to others.
There will be someone saying the same thing about you if you crash your bike. "It's his own fault for riding a bike, we should just let him die..."
Thankfully those people don't run our society. There is not one of us who at some time didn't do something stupid in life, make a wrong choice, or who got him/herself into serious trouble. Anyone who says otherwise is usually the biggest liar you will meet. We still have to pick those people up, help them get back on their feet and carry on because we all make mistakes.
Where are you sourcing your stats from?
Only insofar as speed is or isn't a factor.
I have to agree with you. But I don't fall into the trap of thinking every guy who is speeding is responsible for causing and accident. It's usually the inattentive bozos who do that. I also don't advocate that people get together in a pack of bikes and cause general panic by swarming the highways. I just don't see it as some incredibly evil thing. Ultimately the individual is responsible for his decisions in a free society and if he makes one that kills him it's his loss, nobody else's.
Nobody's asking for you to "approve" of anything. They are not a danger to you, so I don't see why you're having a nervous breakdown about them. Bear in mine there are many who don't approve of you riding a motorcycle, who think its reckless and stupid, and who think motorcycles should be banned from public roadways. That's called "intolerance" and in and of itself it is a plague in our society. The essence of a free society is putting up with the behavior or misbehavior of others so long as it does not cause undue hardship or danger to others.
There will be someone saying the same thing about you if you crash your bike. "It's his own fault for riding a bike, we should just let him die..."
Thankfully those people don't run our society. There is not one of us who at some time didn't do something stupid in life, make a wrong choice, or who got him/herself into serious trouble. Anyone who says otherwise is usually the biggest liar you will meet. We still have to pick those people up, help them get back on their feet and carry on because we all make mistakes.
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Really now?? Someone in the Ride/Hook-ups section is going on plenty of dates from what I hear.
Really now?? Someone in the Ride/Hook-ups section is going on plenty of dates from what I hear.
yodude
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kwtoxman
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Again, as usual, you are totally wrong. Sad sad person.
No, though I've worked a lot with all aspects of legislation.
Again, as usual, you are totally wrong. Sad sad person.
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