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If we are going to get technical out of a joke then I would say that the concept does not apply to competitive riding like track days or racing because it is easier to measure yourself against others with lap times, group you are ridding on etc, in the street it is subjective to your perception and our perception is always that we are better than others.

It is real easy and quick to see on track who is fast and who is not and who is better and who is not - not counting on those that use lack of brakes, tired engine, quick shifter not working, bad gas etc has an excuse :)

油井緋色;2434074 said:
Not entirely true. I measure "better" in a very simple way. If the rider was at a track, would they be faster than me? A large portion of you guys on gtam who visit race or are trackday regulars are quite a bit faster than me, but the vast majority of street riders do not track and are slow enough that I could slap with a trout a few times while passing them.
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油井緋色;2434074 said:
Not entirely true. I measure "better" in a very simple way. If the rider was at a track, would they be faster than me? A large portion of you guys on gtam who visit race or are trackday regulars are quite a bit faster than me, but the vast majority of street riders do not track and are slow enough that I could slap with a trout a few times while passing them.
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Faster doesn't equal better on the street hombre. For instance...I've never been assaulted by a pine cone and come off worse at 5kmh. :cool:
 
jc100 said:
Faster doesn't equal better on the street hombre. For instance...I've never been assaulted by a pine cone and come off worse at 5kmh. :cool:
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I didn't know pinecones were hard; I thought they were squishy.
 
Like marshmallows?
油井緋色;2434130 said:
I didn't know pinecones were hard; I thought they were squishy.
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油井緋色;2434130 said:
I didn't know pinecones were hard; I thought they were squishy.
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At least you have an excuse of why you'd rather practice on a track rather than a parking lot... xD

If I randomly meet a rider, I usually judge their skill level or recklessness based on the amount of times they say "bro" on a SS.
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This system is usually pretty accurate.
 
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PLau said:
At least you have an excuse of why you'd rather practice on a track rather than a parking lot... xD

If I randomly meet a rider, I usually judge their skill level or recklessness based on the amount of times they say "bro" on a SS.
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This system is usually pretty accurate.
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lol! :lmao:
 
PLau said:
At least you have an excuse of why you'd rather practice on a track rather than a parking lot... xD

If I randomly meet a rider, I usually judge their skill level or recklessness based on the amount of times they say "bro" on a SS.
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This system is usually pretty accurate.
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....the sad part is there is some truth to that system.

And @ ZX600, harder than leaves, softer than what it was!
 
yeltoM said:
Well, this thread certainly has devolved into a dick waving competition...
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Swinging, it's always been referred to as "swinging". Did I miss a memo?
 
PLau said:
At least you have an excuse of why you'd rather practice on a track rather than a parking lot... xD

If I randomly meet a rider, I usually judge their skill level or recklessness based on the amount of times they say "bro" on a SS.
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This system is usually pretty accurate.
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I may have said bro a few times, but I don't ride an SS. And I know that I am not better than most riders. I still have a lot to learn. And that learning will involve many different manners of advanced training including track. I probably have the least desire to go fast, and probably the worst designed body for a sportbike, but honestly, after getting some advice from a fellow gtamer, and some reading, I cannot see how a track course WON'T help me in any way. Just my $0.02

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Joe Bass said:
I may have said bro a few times, but I don't ride an SS. And I know that I am not better than most riders. I still have a lot to learn. And that learning will involve many different manners of advanced training including track. I probably have the least desire to go fast, and probably the worst designed body for a sportbike, but honestly, after getting some advice from a fellow gtamer, and some reading, I cannot see how a track course WON'T help me in any way. Just my $0.02

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Bro? - Check
SS? - Nope

Statement does not apply... :P

I was mostly referring to those that can't speak a sentence without saying "bro".
 
"People don't know what they don't know"
 
Most people would kick my *** on the street (still unsure of how to judge that sort of competition??). That doesn't mean a damn thing when it comes to actual riding skill. All it shows is that I have the skill to keep myself in check and don't need to show anyone how awesome I am at riding a bike. Taking an on/off ramp at triple the posted speed or weaving through traffic doesn't show much when it comes to riding abilities but it definitely highlights that riders inability to process the risk/reward factor of their actions.
 
There are so many unconscious things like positioning, using other vehicles as shields, and conscious things like watching the weather for safe riding....it's hard to get those unconscious skills across.....they come with learning from close calls, awkward situations ( having to brake hard etc ) ...trying to codify it into trainable courses is almost impossible.

Saddle time counts big time ....and in my view dirt courses off the best base to work from....then you don't panic when your bike gets in unexpected situations be it a skid or gravel or had braking on less than perfect surfaces....and if you happen to go down...you know how to fall.
Big confidence builder is coming off a bike, picking yourself and the bike up and riding on..
On dirt that's not an expensive proposition and while a come off still hurts ( m shoulder reminds me every day ) ...it's far less traumatic than on pavement.......yet that front wheel wash out can often happen easier on pavement with some loose gravel than on a dirt road.

The other issue is that the male brain is not good at risk assessment until they hit 25 or so.....not a lot to be done about that....
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