Can not renewing a plate sticker make a bike no longer street-legal for new owner?

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Hi all,

This spring I'm planning to sell a blue-plate/street-legal dirtbike, but since I haven't ridden it in a year I haven't keep up-to-date with the plate stickers. This is a dirt bike that was switched from green-plate to blue-plate years ago (something you can no longer do).

My registration still shows the bike as being street-legal. If a new buyer tries to register it in their name, could the fact that I didn't keep my plates current somehow revert the bike to green-plate status? I'm 99% sure that makes no difference... but if there's a chance it could be a problem I'll go to the MTO and pay to update the sticker.

Thanks!
 
Can not renewing a plate sticker make a bike no longer street-legal for new o...

Bit said:
Hi all,

This spring I'm planning to sell a blue-plate/street-legal dirtbike, but since I haven't ridden it in a year I haven't keep up-to-date with the plate stickers. This is a dirt bike that was switched from green-plate to blue-plate years ago (something you can no longer do).

My registration still shows the bike as being street-legal. If a new buyer tries to register it in their name, could the fact that I didn't keep my plates current somehow revert the bike to green-plate status? I'm 99% sure that makes no difference... but if there's a chance it could be a problem I'll go to the MTO and pay to update the sticker.

Thanks!
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I am 99% sure MTO will follow whatever rules are in effect when the owner is changed at the time o transfer.
 
It won't make any difference to the blue plate status. New owner may not be able to get the temporary trip permit, but so what.

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OP, what bike are you selling and how much? (I know Iceman wants to know but is too shy to ask)
 
Blue plate status goes with the bike.

If at any time an owner registers the bike as "off road only " (brown ownership) for a green plate.... They will not be able to go back to a blue plate.

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Paul said:
Blue plate status goes with the bike.

If at any time an owner registers the bike as "off road only " (brown ownership) for a green plate.... They will not be able to go back to a blue plate.

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First part is true, second part isn't.

I just switched from blue to green, and they told me you CAN go the other way but is much more difficult. I don't know the exact way to do it, but it is possible to do depending on the variables.
 
Robp said:
I just switched from blue to green, and they told me you CAN go the other way but is much more difficult. I don't know the exact way to do it, but it is possible to do depending on the variables.
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I think if you have a bike sold as street-legal from the manufacturer (which the MTO keeps a list of) ... then you may be able to go back. But if the bike isn't originally street-legal (like mine) then if you ever switch it to offroad-only again... it would be permanent like Paul said.
 
To the OP, getting street registration on a blue plated bike after lapsed plates should be the identical to doing the same to a neglected car. The plate stickers expire. The ownership/registration doesn't.



Robp said:
First part is true, second part isn't.

I just switched from blue to green, and they told me you CAN go the other way but is much more difficult. I don't know the exact way to do it, but it is possible to do depending on the variables.
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I've no experience in this matter but I have read that some MTO offices may allow blue plate equivalents from other provinces to get that status transferred over. Other than that, set your time machine to before Oct 2007 to go blue again! :)
 
I bought a ktm 200 2t that was blue plated, I rode it that way for one season. The following year I went green plate on it as I wanted to save the cash on insurance and I was racing it only. A year and a half later I got a safety and made it blue plated again. Simple as that. Certain European bikes are easy to blue plate, Japanese not so much.

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Iceman said:
I bought a ktm 200 2t that was blue plated, I rode it that way for one season. The following year I went green plate on it as I wanted to save the cash on insurance and I was racing it only. A year and a half later I got a safety and made it blue plated again. Simple as that. Certain European bikes are easy to blue plate, Japanese not so much.

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How long ago was that? I thought they changed the rules in 2006 or something like that. Before that you could pretty much blue plate any bike that passed safety, as far as I'm aware.
 
unL33T said:
How long ago was that? I thought they changed the rules in 2006 or something like that. Before that you could pretty much blue plate any bike that passed safety, as far as I'm aware.
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I bought the bike in 2010, sold it in 2014. Changed plate status in between. It all has to do with how that particular model was registered in Canada. For example an Honda crf250f is registered as off road only on import, the mto won't allow a plate change. A ktm xc250 can be road legal in Europe, it registered here as being able to be road legal, mto allows it.


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Yeah. I would say if it's anything Japanese then you're out of luck. It may be possible, but I can't say for sure.

The European brands have enduro models that come with lights from the factory. I would say switching them would be somewhat easier.
 
Any problems that may be encountered with the bike's registration will be the problem of the new owner when he changes the registration.
Your bike is street legal for as long as you own it.
MOT may decide that the bike is not street legal and never should have been registered as such.
But as I say, that's the new guy' problem.
 
Robp said:
Yeah. I would say if it's anything Japanese then you're out of luck. It may be possible, but I can't say for sure.

The European brands have enduro models that come with lights from the factory. I would say switching them would be somewhat easier.
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Your talking about bikes that are street legal from the factory, he is asking about a bike that was originally an off road only vehicle, that was converted to street legal before the loop hole in Ontario was closed 2006ish

Totally different scenario, you can buy a street legal Yamaha WR250 at any Yamaha dealer in Canada, you can not however buy a YZF250F and convert it to street legal anymore

I have a buddy that has a CRF450R that was converted to blue plate from green before 2006, if his sticker expires its still blue plated and registered as street leagl, just the sticker expires

I think you will be fine
 
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JohnnyP636 said:
Your talking about bikes that are street legal from the factory, he is asking about a bike that was originally an off road only vehicle, that was converted to street legal before the loop hole in Ontario was closed 2006ish

Totally different scenario, you can buy a street legal Yamaha WR250 at any Yamaha dealer in Canada, you can not however buy a YZF250F and convert it to street legal anymore

I have a buddy that has a CRF450R that was converted to blue plate from green before 2006, if his sticker expires its still blue plated and registered as street leagl, just the sticker expires

I think you will be fine
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But if your buddy sells the converted CRF 450, he, or the new owner would have to find a mechanic that would certify a "for off-road use only" bike. The mechanic may or may not catch it in the VIN, or may or may not care. Even if a dealer F's up and green plates an enduro, say a CRF 230 L (which is street legal) , the onus is on you to find that proof in writing from the dealer which is easily done. The "for off-road use only" bikes, not so easy. I remember a guy from Bradford who got an RM 250 with a CR 500 engine in it certified for the road. It's funny watching him trying to ride it. Most insane bike ever made (the CR 500). Even if you get manage to get a race bike blue plated, you may be harassed by cops who run the VIN. They can easily send you to an MTO inspection station who will likely take the blue plates off it. Chances of this happening with a four stroke are low. Chances of this happening with a RM 250 with a CR 500 engine in it are very high.

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OP, I am interested in buying it when it comes to the market, I am in no rush. Please PM me what the bike is and a ball park of what you want for it. No need to over price since I won't low ball.
 
statsman said:
Any problems that may be encountered with the bike's registration will be the problem of the new owner when he changes the registration.
Your bike is street legal for as long as you own it.
MOT may decide that the bike is not street legal and never should have been registered as such.
But as I say, that's the new guy' problem.
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So your stance on this would be that since its the new guys problem ... however if you advertised it as blue plated street legal dirt bike then you would be selling under misrepresentation and liable to a lawsuit no ?
 
chiller said:
So your stance on this would be that since its the new guys problem ... however if you advertised it as blue plated street legal dirt bike then you would be selling under misrepresentation and liable to a lawsuit no ?
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Not to mention a really ****** thing to do to someone.
 
ZX600 said:
Not to mention a really ****** thing to do to someone.
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I was removing the EMO and Ethics from the equation and going black and white legal ...

but yes this would be a azz-hat thing to do to someone ...
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