Inching towards killing the moto industry in the GTA

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inreb said:
Is this a fact or an intuitive feeling? Do the majority of people who buy cruisers do it for the "image" and having others know you are the coolest thing on the road? Do the majority of people who buy adventure bikes do it for the "image" and having others know you are the most interesting man on the road? Do the majority of people who buy Burgmans do it for the "image" and having others know you do not desire sex ever again?
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Lmfao ? ?
Drennan57 said:
You must not understand the concept of image.

When a 17 year old kid wants to buy a 150+HP track bike with no intentions of ever actually going to the track there are other factors at play. He even "knows" that its going to cost him 4x as much to ride this bike but he can justify it because it comes with an image of "speed" and "skill" tucked under the seat from the factory.

Same thing goes for Harley guys, in fact I would say its even more of a problem on this side of the spectrum. Some of these guys won't even ride next to you if you aren't on a Harley. Meanwhile they are probably the worst performing, most overpriced chunks of metal on the road. BUT if you ride a Harley you uphold a certain image. So paying all the extra cash for one is basically like paying upfront for a 'membership" that doesn't come with any other bike.

Scooters are completely different. They are "generally" operated by people who are looking for the cheapest means of transportation possible with image being the absolute last thing on their mind. If anything you should commend someone who rides a scooter "by choice" because they obviously don't give a **** what anybody thinks.
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You haven't encountered @inreb's posts before? ?

Membership has it's privileges. But then they gotta pay. @baggsy as well as others said it: you don't NEED a SS or Harley (examples) to ride, you need a motorcycle. I love everything about my bike. If my insurance was priced at what I thought was too much for it, bye bye bike. Get something else.
Btw @inreb, still loling about the Burgman!

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Drennan57 said:
I partially agree but the majority of people who buy supersports do it for for the "image" and having others know you are the fastest thing on the road.

Fact of the matter is true supersports are technically the safest motorcycles you can buy. They are made lighter, better brakes, accomplish passes quicker, have better tires etc etc

I would feel safer with experienced riders on supersports all over instead of GS500's clunking around, Ninja 250's screaming down the highway trying to keep up with traffic, scooters running the side of the roads etc.

I understand why supersports are penalized by insurance companies but when you think about it the bikes really have nothing to do with the problem, its the riders that can't control themselves.
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inreb said:
Is this a fact or an intuitive feeling? Do the majority of people who buy cruisers do it for the "image" and having others know you are the coolest thing on the road? Do the majority of people who buy adventure bikes do it for the "image" and having others know you are the most interesting man on the road? Do the majority of people who buy Burgmans do it for the "image" and having others know you do not desire sex ever again?
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Drennan57 said:
You must not understand the concept of image.

When a 17 year old kid wants to buy a 150+HP track bike with no intentions of ever actually going to the track there are other factors at play. He even "knows" that its going to cost him 4x as much to ride this bike but he can justify it because it comes with an image of "speed" and "skill" tucked under the seat from the factory.

Same thing goes for Harley guys, in fact I would say its even more of a problem on this side of the spectrum. Some of these guys won't even ride next to you if you aren't on a Harley. Meanwhile they are probably the worst performing, most overpriced chunks of metal on the road. BUT if you ride a Harley you uphold a certain image. So paying all the extra cash for one is basically like paying upfront for a 'membership" that doesn't come with any other bike.

Scooters are completely different. They are "generally" operated by people who are looking for the cheapest means of transportation possible with image being the absolute last thing on their mind. If anything you should commend someone who rides a scooter "by choice" because they obviously don't give a **** what anybody thinks.
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Of course its a feeling, disguised as a fact.
How many Formula 1 autos do you see on the road?
Cars are tending towards the off roadish type.
 
Drennan57 said:
Thank you :), i sold my CBR for the FZ and i'm absolutely in awe of this bike. It's wonderful.

Cheers
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Oh you're more than welcome:) I've picked up a real appreciation for these little buzz bombs now that my little brother the bee keeper is looking to get a bike this summer. He's totally on board with "you are what you ride".:D
 
inreb said:
Oh you're more than welcome:) I've picked up a real appreciation for these little buzz bombs now that my little brother the bee keeper is looking to get a bike this summer. He's totally on board with "you are what you ride".:D
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What do you ride?
 
Drennan57 said:
When a 17 year old kid wants to buy a 150+HP track bike with no intentions of ever actually going to the track there are other factors at play. He even "knows" that its going to cost him 4x as much to ride this bike but he can justify it because it comes with an image of "speed" and "skill" tucked under the seat from the factory.

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Same thing goes for Harley guys

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Scooters are completely different.
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There's also the "I don't care what others think" group. Some are more interested in comfort, personal satisfaction, and value..with image coming last. I'd put myself in that category.


  • I bought a metric cruiser because it was a great deal - I would have paid 3x what I paid for a Harley...for what would amount to not a whole lot of a different ride in the end.
  • It was comfortable. My sportbike days are behind me, I wanted to be able to sit on it for hours without my back killing me afterwards.
  • I like it, that's what matters most. I don't care what others think. I'm happy on it, and if a Harley guy won't wave back at me when I drive past because it's a metric, I don't give a flying you know what.
  • Image? Whatever. Sure, matters a little simply on the basis of the style of the bike I've chosen, but again, if I was all up in arms about my image I'd be riding a Harley now, wouldn't I?

I think age has a lot to do with this. I remember when I was young, impressions mattered. As you get older you start to care more about yourself vs what others think of you.
 
It's was about time somebody penned a manifesto explaining how they don't care what other people think of them.
 
PrivatePilot said:
There's also the "I don't care what others think" group. Some are more interested in comfort, personal satisfaction, and value..with image coming last. I'd put myself in that category.


  • I bought a metric cruiser because it was a great deal - I would have paid 3x what I paid for a Harley...for what would amount to not a whole lot of a different ride in the end.
  • It was comfortable. My sportbike days are behind me, I wanted to be able to sit on it for hours without my back killing me afterwards.
  • I like it, that's what matters most. I don't care what others think. I'm happy on it, and if a Harley guy won't wave back at me when I drive past because it's a metric, I don't give a flying you know what.
  • Image? Whatever. Sure, matters a little simply on the basis of the style of the bike I've chosen, but again, if I was all up in arms about my image I'd be riding a Harley now, wouldn't I?

I think age has a lot to do with this. I remember when I was young, impressions mattered. As you get older you start to care more about yourself vs what others think of you.
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Totally agree, which is why i didn't mention metric cruisers in my rant about image :p.
 
inreb said:
Modesty.
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Makes no sense at all. There is no motorcycle that would change the way anyone thinks about you, how you conduct yourself is what matters.

Anyways have a good one.
 
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Drennan57 said:
Makes no sense at all. There is no motorcycle that would change the way anyone thinks about you, how you conduct yourself is what matters.

Anyways have a good one.
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Gonna respectfully disagree. If I told you that he has a Panigale R, a BMW S1000RR and an H2R in his stable, you wouldn't already start developing a view of him? And if I told you he had a Burgman, a Ural sidecar and a 1982 GoldWing, would that not conjure up a different image?
But I agree that no matter what the bikes are, it matters how you conduct yourself.

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Drennan57 said:
I partially agree but the majority of people who buy supersports do it for for the "image" and having others know you are the fastest thing on the road.
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Drennan57 said:
Makes no sense at all. There is no motorcycle that would change the way anyone thinks about you, how you conduct yourself is what matters.

Anyways have a good one.
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You are accusing the majority of people who buy supersports do it for the "image" like it's a negative thing, then you go on to claim that no motorcycle would change the way anyone thinks about you. So you make a negative sweeping statement about the majority of supersport riders then you assert that their strategy is ineffectual rendering them misguided at best or stupid? Did I get that right? Can you really say these things on a sportbike centric forum and lecture about "how you conduct yourself is what matters"? Makes no sense at all. Please get this sorted out before you tackle politics and religion.:bom:
 
inreb said:
You are accusing the majority of people who buy supersports do it for the "image" like it's a negative thing, then you go on to claim that no motorcycle would change the way anyone thinks about you. So you make a negative sweeping statement about the majority of supersport riders then you assert that their strategy is ineffectual rendering them misguided at best or stupid? Did I get that right? Can you really say these things on a sportbike centric forum and lecture about "how you conduct yourself is what matters"? Makes no sense at all. Please get this sorted out before you tackle politics and religion.:bom:
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You take posts on completely different topics at different times and put them together to make up your own story?

Yeah I'm not playing this game. Thanks tho.
 
Sitting now in the shed is a ducati, a triumph tourer, a couple non operable vintage projects and wifeys scooter, the last 5 pages have left me in a puzzle. I was so comfortable in my self image and sexuality and now I'm just an enigma all wrapped up in a riddle. I like to wear period correct clothing but only on the 80's scooter.

I guess always be yourself, unless you can be a unicorn. Then always be a unicorn.
 
Drennan57 said:
You take posts on completely different topics at different times and put them together to make up your own story?

Yeah I'm not playing this game. Thanks tho.
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At least you recognize it as a game:thumbup: Other people have been known to get butthurt:(
 
PrivatePilot said:
There's also the "I don't care what others think" group. Some are more interested in comfort, personal satisfaction, and value..with image coming last. I'd put myself in that category.


  • I bought a metric cruiser because it was a great deal - I would have paid 3x what I paid for a Harley...for what would amount to not a whole lot of a different ride in the end.
  • It was comfortable. My sportbike days are behind me, I wanted to be able to sit on it for hours without my back killing me afterwards.
  • I like it, that's what matters most. I don't care what others think. I'm happy on it, and if a Harley guy won't wave back at me when I drive past because it's a metric, I don't give a flying you know what.
  • Image? Whatever. Sure, matters a little simply on the basis of the style of the bike I've chosen, but again, if I was all up in arms about my image I'd be riding a Harley now, wouldn't I?

I think age has a lot to do with this. I remember when I was young, impressions mattered. As you get older you start to care more about yourself vs what others think of you.
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Do you own/wear a black beanie, leather chaps, leather vest and black leather jacket without armor? Or did you buy real protective Motorcycle gear from known manufacturers?

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Iceman said:
Do you own/wear a black beanie, leather chaps, leather vest and black leather jacket without armor? Or did you buy real protective Motorcycle gear from known manufacturers?

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I have both. Does that put me somewhere in the middle?
And I thought the game was just getting fun!

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