So I bought a bike with a dent in frame and cant get safety

[DDean]

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If I were the seller, Id offer to get the bike safetied for you, at my cost, and then say, "whats the problem" with the safety in hand.

Dont let him do that. There are places that will safety the bike without looking at anything more than the VIN.

 

[CafeRay]

$4000 BUCKS FOR AN 03 CBR600 ?? WOW
anywho bring the bike to my shop I can fix it and repaint the side of the frame for you for a really good price

You would fix an aluminum frame with that much damage?

 

[carboncat]

yes. if its straight its no problem. its easier to fix then a car body

 

[MarcosSantiago]

I'm not familiar with the ins and outs of "dents" in frames and safeties.
Does a "dent" actually qualify as a "bent" frame?

This is the key, it is not the same thing: is the frame actually bent? is the bike actually unsafe?

A dent in the frame is not the end of the world. In 2003 I bought a 2001 R6 with 2,500kms on it with a dent almost as big as yours.

I agree, not the end of the world at all.

yes. if its straight its no problem. its easier to fix then a car body

I agree, the dent (as big as it is) does not equal automatically a bent frame. A close inspection by someone competent is needed here, but the frame may have to come out of the bike to definitely determine how much it was bent, if any, and if the bike is unsafe.

I'd have no problem at all riding that bike with that frame. I'd inspect all around that weld that is right next to it to make sure it doesn't have any cracks, but I'd bet anything that the frame is still strong and good to ride.

This "newbike" guy is for sure the seller of the bike. Dude, just give him back $2,000 and call it a day.

 

[CafeRay]

yes. if its straight its no problem. its easier to fix then a car body

This is structural component. It cannot be bent out, because it is aluminum. Any cosmetic fix is just hiding a potentially big collapse of the frame.

Here's a simple experiment to show the strengths and weaknesses of aluminum as structure:

1. Empty a beer can by any method. Don't dent it at all.
2. stand on the can's top -it will support >250lbs
3. While someone is doing this, make a small dent in the side of the can, it will collapse in milliseconds.

Aluminum frames cannot be bent back safely, and the cannot be dented with compromising integrity. This is not cosmetic damage.

To the OP: the original offer of $800 from the seller to buy another frame was generous. This bike needs a new frame. There is a very good reason why a proper mechanic would never pass this bike.

I've seen ally frames crack at track days after dents like this. Steel can be bent back and fixed.

 

[carboncat]

Thanks for the help lol
Beer can compared to a frame lol wowo

 

[carboncat]

Theses are motorcycle bike frames , they get flipped tossed thrown down racetracks and a straight and fine after dents bigger then that

 

[GateKeeper]

Why can't the bike be striped down, and or the area around the damaged area, and cut out the dent, and weld in a new piece, by a professional welder....

and if you take it down to just the frame, have it powder coated and only you will know of the fix

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what ever you do don't use a beer can for the fix, it's just way to thin.......LOL

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[MarcosSantiago]

This is structural component. It cannot be bent out, because it is aluminum. Any cosmetic fix is just hiding a potentially big collapse of the frame.

Here's a simple experiment to show the strengths and weaknesses of aluminum as structure:

1. Empty a beer can by any method. Don't dent it at all.
2. stand on the can's top -it will support >250lbs
3. While someone is doing this, make a small dent in the side of the can, it will collapse in milliseconds.

Aluminum frames cannot be bent back safely, and the cannot be dented with compromising integrity. This is not cosmetic damage.

To the OP: the original offer of $800 from the seller to buy another frame was generous. This bike needs a new frame. There is a very good reason why a proper mechanic would never pass this bike.

I've seen ally frames crack at track days after dents like this. Steel can be bent back and fixed.

So you are saying that dent = bent frame = new frame is required?
I don't necessarily agree!

 

[inreb]

I'm with CafeRay on this one but cancelled a post to that effect because racers should know better than anyone in real world experience. But it's counter intuitive because aluminum is not like steel.

 

[carboncat]

I have seen national guys with damaged frames like that race every round , pass tech, and race there bikes with no catastrophic frame collapse.
geeze guys its not torn, the welds are not broken in two.

I have seen bikes flip 20 plus feet in the air and the frame is ok, these things are not made out of beer cans for f'sakes

 

[ZX600]

Thanks for the help lol
Beer can compared to a frame lol wowo

I got a beer can that needs some paint, can you please help?

 

[jc100]

I have a bridge for sale, steel n ****, no dents. PM me. Location London England, one owner.

 

[Roomie]

In before the shenanigans. Now you can't fix frames. What next? :lmao:

 

[bitzz]

A couple of things
1) There is no way in the world you can tell if the frame is good or bad from one lousy picture on the internet. Before any pronouncements on the roadworthyness of said frame it needs a detailed inspection by someone that knows exactly what they are doing. Alignment must be checked.
2) No one in their right mind would ever certify that frame for road use because of the liability issues. Writing a $75 certification slip today could get you named in a lawsuit sometime down the road. You may be right and the frame is good, but because you certified it as roadworthy you may have to prove it's road worthyness in court. That could get pricey. No thanks. NEXT
Caveat emptor, you just bought a track bike.

 

[dasiffy]

here's the angle i'd choose...

get an estimate from a dealer for the cost to replace the frame. (parts and labour)

get a lawer to send a letter with the law firms letter head up top.
always gets attention.

inform the seller that he made a claim that the structure was sound. Inform the seller that he was aware of the dent in the frame and unless he claims to be an automotive engineer, or a licensed motorcycle mechanic, he could not claim to say the frame was structurally sound.

By signing a legal document claiming that the structure was sound, while being aware of possible structural damage from the dent, he made a fraudulant statement. This supercedes the "as is - where is" condition.

fraud, in canada,when above $5000 has a maximum sentence upon conviction of 14 years.


something along those lines. You'd have to talk to lawyer to be sure this is ok.

 

[PLau]

So.... From what I collect, take the $800, take it to carboncat's shop to fix ("for a good price") and possibly safety the bike there

Either that, or replace the frame.


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It took me up until now to read that he signed a paper saying there was no frame damage knowing that there was frame damage that was plainly visible. Fail.
Then again, if you try to take him to court, he can say that the damage was caused by you since, like you said, it was plainly visible.

 

[unL33T]

A couple of things
1) There is no way in the world you can tell if the frame is good or bad from one lousy picture on the internet. Before any pronouncements on the roadworthyness of said frame it needs a detailed inspection by someone that knows exactly what they are doing. Alignment must be checked.
2) No one in their right mind would ever certify that frame for road use because of the liability issues. Writing a $75 certification slip today could get you named in a lawsuit sometime down the road. You may be right and the frame is good, but because you certified it as roadworthy you may have to prove it's road worthyness in court. That could get pricey. No thanks. NEXT
Caveat emptor, you just bought a track bike.

I can get a safety without ever bringing my vehicle anywhere. I can also get safeties at several other places if I am simply able to ride/drive the vehicle there. I don't even know a lot of sketchy people and can get that done. It's not going to be hard to get this safetied especially if repaired.

 

[Fen|X]

I'd give Cory at 402bikes in sarnia a call. He could probably help you for a clean frame with legit papers. Doing a parts swap to the new frame would be a good learning experience. Heck I could do it in about 2 weeks for a decent price, but I live in kingston.

2 weeks? You are joking right? I swapped frame on my 9R last week due to same reason as the OP has and it took me 1.5 days, to be exact it took me: 14hrs.
10 Hrs one day, 4hrs the other.

 

[inreb]

2 weeks? You are joking right? I swapped frame on my 9R last week due to same reason as the OP has and it took me 1.5 days, to be exact it took me: 14hrs.
10 Hrs one day, 4hrs the other.

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